Francis should resign? Really?


#1

The shocking revelations in the Vigano letter are capped with a call for the Pope to resign.

That might be the worst possible thing that could happen at this moment in the history of the Church. Francis is surely not responsible for the clerical scandals around the world, but he must know a lot. If he resigned, he could quite possibly take a lot of secrets with him.

The council of nine cardinals have expressed unanimous support for Francis, which raises some questions in itself. That might be the signal that it is not time for Francis to depart. But Francis is wrapping himself in the cloak of clericalism that he has condemned. He said he would not answer Vigano, but then he might do so later.

I recall the comments of P. Benedict that the Church was on the verge of capsizing, and that comment makes me wonder how much Francis could reveal. There are forces outside the Church and inside the Church which have created a momentous crisis of scandals, cover-ups, and abuse of power.

Resignation would be the papal way of kicking the can down the road. That would precipitate a very interesting conclave, and THEN what would happen?


#2

Resignation is not death, so I don’t know what it means that he would take secrets with him if he resigned, but if he were to resign, would we get a pope who would be able to do more?

I don’t think so. I can’t see the College of Cardinals electing someone with the gumption to take serious action towards cleaning house, and I don’t see very much leadership from any bishop on guiding the faithful in a spiritual way, which is also very needed.


#3

Why instead of the " if" “if”" if" we just keep rowing?
Time to row,then row.
Silence instead of making noise won t hurt.
A little group with a megaphone isn t leading the Church. The Pope is. And God is in control.
Let us get back to the oars,and row and pray .


#4

“Pray, not just with your words, but also with your actions.” Unknown


#5

I don’t think the Pope should resign. I think that there are a lot of people out there who are very good at complaining but if it fell to them to do the job they really couldn’t do it,
I think that there are a lot of complainers out there who really wish that they had been elected Pope.


#6

Just because I want someone to resign does not mean I want his job. If an engineer designed a building which then collapsed, I would want him to resign, but that wouldn’t mean I in any thought I could do his job nor that I wanted his job.

(Not that I have an opinion on whether the Pope should resign.)


#7

These problems have been going on a .100 years .
People forget and a new generation comes on scene.


#8

Of course the pope shouldn’t resign. It shouldn’t even be a question.

How dare Vigano put this forward.


#9

^ THIS 100 Times


#10

From the different sites that I have been reading there appear to be an awful lot of people who only know how to complain about the Pope. From reading all the criticism that they make, either they are disgruntled because they weren’t hired to be his speechwriters or maybe they think they should go to the next conclave and campaign for the the cardinals to vote for them.


#11

Reading the comments in this thread, I doubt that posters here have read the Argentinian press reports relevant to this question.


#12

What do those press reports say?


#13

I refrain from quoting them because here is what I was told by another poster:


#14

Your comments are sometimes biased. And it’s hard to tell what your intellectual independence and critical abilities are. [You mention Argentinian media, I read it. The issue, in this case, is not about nationality of the media but the quality and fact analyses of their reporting.]

Pope Francis told us to read the Viganò document. The first question is if you read it? The second question is if you sincerely believe you have the critical thinking and cultural baggage indispensible to understand what lies therein? Because it is complex.

I’ll leave the document here, it’s a lengthy read with a complex timeline and many actors mentioned. The organizational analyses is also very demanding, can you imagine how the papacy, the curia, work? Their individual and collective limitations - in terms of communication flow, authority and, decision making? I’d be at odds to understand human relations in a small company/organization.

The first thing I’d say is Viganò is a good man, who’s document has merits, but clearly shows he didn’t understand some of the procedures in how people normally handle things. Some accusations are grave, others simply fail to realize certain individuals weren’t informed as well as he’d expect - and all together, that the church has internal procedures that weren’t set up to promptly take decisions on such grave matters - that in terms of organizational sociology some processes need to be revised.

Perhaps the most evident such example, is that upon election of a new pope all cardinals positions are automatically suspended (from wikipedia):

It happened that McCarrick wasn’t relieved as a Cardinal and retook functions after Sede Vacantis. No one in the Curia had authority but the pope, and no one informed the pope - chaotic as the transition probably is. Such are the organizational shortcomings of an institution of millenary traditions and I’m sure pope Francis will address all these aspects in his papacy.


#15

Pope Francis said on 26/8/2018:

Here is the Viganò document, read it:


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