François Fillon, France’s conservative front-runner, promises the return of the traditional right


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Like Donald Trump, Fillon has made no secret of his fondness for Vladimir Putin’s Russia, arguing in favor of a Western coalition with Russia to fight the Islamic State. Also like Trump, a central component of his campaign has been antagonism to Muslims, France’s largest minority group. And like Marine Le Pen, the leader of the National Front, France’s own far-right populist party, Fillon appeals to those nostalgic for a white, Catholic France that they remember as devoid of immigrants and sexual minorities. In the early 1980s, he opposed decriminalizing homosexuality, and he has fought same-sex equality ever since. washingtonpost.com/world/francois-fillon-frances-conservative-front-runner-promises-the-return-of-the-traditional-right/2016/11/22/a528a252-b0bd-11e6-bc2d-19b3d759cfe7_story.html

                                          Fillon sounds pretty good so far :thumbsup:

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You like the sound of that Seamus?


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Originally Posted by Seamus L View Post
Fillon appeals to those nostalgic for a white, Catholic France
Fillon sounds pretty good so far

Nostalgic isn’t the right word, and I certainly would not prefer a “white” France, though I have no trouble with return to a Catholic France.

It is not “nostalgic” to support restoration of a society committed to religious liberty, the sanctity of life and marriage. It is common sense. Suppose a lake that was formerly unpolluted is allowed to be polluted. It is not “nostalgic” to support efforts at a clean up.

It is misleading to allow certain basic concepts to be redefined, then to attack as “right wing” or conservative those anyone who objects to your far fetched redefinition. Suppose someone redefines “honesty” as taking as much as you can grab, rather than only taking what fairly belongs to you. Would it be ok to label as “nostalgic” or “rightwing” those who object to the new definition by urging the police to return to the old practice of arresting burglars?


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Sounds like the American mainstream media still can’t tell the difference between conserving Western values and conserving race.

Conserving the white race, which I very much doubt Fillon wants to do, is not possible in France. For one thing, it’s more of a Latin country culturally than it’s eastern and northern Anglo neighbors.


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You may not like his avowedly pro-EU stance though…

express.co.uk/news/world/734774/Frontrunner-French-president-wants-British-officials-EU-disappear

**THE new frontrunner to be the next president of France is a Europhile who has demanded a hard Brexit.

The hardline conservative has also pledged to “rip up” the Le Touquet agreement, the bilateral border deal signed in 2003 that keeps border checks on the French side of the Channel.

The pro-Europe candidate, who is in favour of a “hard Brexit,” told the French radio station Europe 1 in June that France would not “meddle in the internal politics of Great Britain” and that it was up to the British to “decide what their Brexit schedule will be”.

He said: “But the first decision that the European Union must take is to sideline all the British officials who sit on the committees and in the European administrations.”

The frontrunner added: “Can we engage the future of a country, a civilisation, playing roulette? This is what David Cameron has done. He will go down in history as the one who brought Britain out of the EU for political reasons, and we will not play the same game.**

See:

politico.eu/article/francois-fillon-thatcherite-with-a-thing-for-russia-juppe-france/

Only on Europe does Fillon differ with Thatcher. Proposing an overhaul of institutions, he wants to form a eurozone government, integrate EU defense capabilities and beef up protection of exterior borders.

**The Catholics’ choice

If Fillon’s philo-Thatcherism is well-known, his close ties to elements of France’s traditional Catholic Right are less so. Yet they help to explain why Fillon was able to outperform last Sunday, and give a hint of what sort of president he could be.

Unlike Juppé or Sarkozy, Fillon early on voiced support for an anti-gay marriage movement known as la Manif Pour Tous. (“The Rally for All,” a deformation of the gay marriage law named “Marriage for All.”)…

He is a staunch social conservative and practising Catholic who wants to ban adoption for gay couples. Perhaps of greater concern to Washington and other European powers, he is a tireless defender of Russia who blames the West for having provoked Moscow into lashing out against Ukraine.

In short, François Fillon is a man who, if elected, may well carry out his campaign vow to “Bring down the house” — for better or worse.

The Catholics’ choice

If Fillon’s philo-Thatcherism is well-known, his close ties to elements of France’s traditional Catholic Right are less so. Yet they help to explain why Fillon was able to outperform last Sunday, and give a hint of what sort of president he could be.

Unlike Juppé or Sarkozy, Fillon early on voiced support for an anti-gay marriage movement known as la Manif Pour Tous. (“The Rally for All,” a deformation of the gay marriage law named “Marriage for All.”)

Several aspirants to the presidency, including Sarkozy, have called for dialogue with Russia and made ceremonial visits to see Putin.

This won Fillon the backing of a Catholic current of the Républicains party named Sens Commun (“Common Sense”) that provided legions of campaign volunteers in France’s traditional western regions. In return, Fillon rewarded his Catholic backers with the most socially conservative agenda of any candidate.

While he does not want to repeal gay marriage, which was voted into law in 2012, he has vowed to ban adoption for gay couples. He is also against medically assisted procreation for female couples and for a universal ban on surrogate mothers. In an open letter to Catholic bishops in October, Fillon said the family was at the “heart” of his political project, vowing to raise public benefits for large families.

“We welcome with great joy François Fillon’s clear qualification to the second round of the primary for the Center and the Right,” Sens Commun cheered in a statement late Sunday.**

He does not favour a “white” France as the leading article improperly suggests. He is a hardliner on clamping down on terrorism and Islamism but he hasn’t advocated anything racist to my knowledge.

He is a Catholic social and economic conservative, a disciple of Margaret Thatcher, no less, who wants to privatise the statist economy in France with sweeping reforms - a free market revolutionary, if you will. I admire his pro-business outlook, although I am far from being a Thatcherite and do not subscribe to neoliberal economic theories myself. France does need liberal market reform though.

That does not amount to racism. I cannot understand why anyone would look to portray Fillon as a racist.

He does favour a more conciliatory approach to Russia but he balances that out by being a Europhile. That is the most “concerning” aspect of his politics from my perspective - his conciliatory approach to Putin - not some mythical idea that he wants to return to a “whiter” past, which is nonsensical and very uninformed if you ask me.

Marine Le Pen seeks to undermine the EU and render it asunder. Francois Fillon is a staunch believer in the Single Market and the customs union, by contrast. He would very much seek to strengthen the Union and despite his Welsh wife he would drive a very hard bargain with Britain, to make us pay for Brexit.

So, in other words, he’s a complicated fellow and defies easy categorization.


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He does not favour a “white” France as the leading article improperly suggests.

I figured as much! Conserving rational, common sense values is not the same as conserving race. That’s impossible, frankly, and too authoritarian for any government.

He is a Catholic social and economic conservative, a disciple of Margaret Thatcher, no less, who wants to privatise the statist economy in France with sweeping reforms - a free market revolutionary, if you will. I admire his pro-business outlook, although I am far from being a Thatcherite and do not subscribe to neoliberal economic theories myself. France does need liberal market reform though.

Yes, France needs more classic liberalism here.

That does not amount to racism. I cannot understand why anyone would look to portray Fillon as a racist.

The source is an American newspaper. The American mainstream media is in hysterical overdrive because Donald J. Trump won the presidency against all expectations—I’m not even sure he thought he was going to win.

See, for the first time in about 8 years or so, the media is now going to have to do its job.

The technique they are employing, largely directed at those who are ruled by their passions and low-information voters, or folks who really don’t have a clue what is going on in reality but can kinda-sorta feel it in their bones something’s not right, is to confuse traditional policy with straight white male nazi-type supremacism and all the other isms and phobias in order to rile up minority groups and Millennials.

He does favour a more conciliatory approach to Russia but he balances that out by being a Europhile. That is the most “concerning” aspect of his politics from my perspective - his conciliatory approach to Putin - not some mythical idea that he wants to return to a “whiter” past, which is nonsensical and very uninformed if you ask me.

It is very inaccurate, but it will be the narrative the media will push as their globalist and elite secular agenda begins to crumble. They are besides themselves because this was supposed to be" their time, their century". :rolleyes:

I’m sorry to say they are going to push this drumbeat because between Brexit and Trump (and I know Mr. Hannan would tar and feather me for the comparison :p) they are panicking.

Marine Le Pen seeks to undermine the EU and render it asunder. Francois Fillon is a staunch believer in the Single Market and the customs union, by contrast. He would very much seek to strengthen the Union and despite his Welsh wife he would drive a very hard bargain with Britain, to make us pay for Brexit.

Europe is kidding itself if it thinks it can punish the UK. Britain emerges from a very strong position just on their imports of cars from Germany alone. That’s the price for the rest of the continent selling out their sovereignty for a quick Euro from the German central banking system.

Fillon sounds like a decent candidate, but he would be wise to listen to the French on their thoughts about the EU, or Le Pen will win.

Ultimately, it’s up to the people.

My advice is to leave the EU, but that doesn’t top the five non-negotiable + religious freedom.


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I talk about the EU too much on this forum. I am consciously trying to cease posting articles on the Brexit issue however I must correct you here.

Polls show that the majority of French people subscribe to Fillon’s pro-Europeanism.

Le Pen will not win for her anti-EUism - at least not on its own. She would only win on the basis of inflammatory populist promises.

The problem is that Fillon is sort of stealing her thunder by telling folks what they want to hear in that respect but from a pro-EU perspective.


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Fillon wins French conservative primary bbc.com/news/world-europe-38126222


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Traditional right?

So what, did I just miss the part where he advocates abolishing the republic and restoring the Bourbons? Heck, I’d be happy with the Orleans or the Bonapartes, but I didn’t see them mentioned either. Someone want to help?

Oh, wait. He’s a “conservative.” We’re using “right” to refer to the right-wing of the narrow range of political opinions allowed in the 21st Century and “traditional” means “the status quo post bellum”. I presume that means conserving Liberalism, which means more “Liberté, égalité, fraternité” and continuing to trample over “Travail, famille, patrie.” Reference to a “white” France and supporting the EU should have tipped me off. Nothing to see here.

I’m always curious when people who seem to support democracy indict populism. I can’t really fathom how the two are different. When getting into power is dependant on convincing enough of the peasants to go vote for you, what other result do you expect?


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His policies are similar to Thatcher and Reagan in the '80s.

So I suppose it depends upon your view of those two politicians.

Read:

telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/27/francois-fillon-set-face-marine-le-pen-winning-french-presidential/

**Mr Fillon is a social conservative who has positioned himself as a defender of traditional family values and France’s Catholic roots and an opponent of “multiculturalism”.

He has also taken a hard line on Islam, saying the religion must change in the wake of terror attacks that have left 230 dead in the past two years.

“The Islamic religion (must) accept what all the others have accepted in the past… that radicalism and provocation have no place here,” he said at his final Paris rally on Friday.

On the economic front, he has promised to break with France’s statist tradition and to roll out an ambitious free-market programme that will undoubtedly set him on collision course with France’s unions…

Regarding Britain, he has called for a “good neighbourly deal” over Brexit, but recently made it clear that if the UK refused the free movement of EU citizens, there is no “reason to leave them the European financial passport and the eurozone must take back clearing its currency”.

He also wants to return British border controls, which currently operate in Calais, to the UK.**


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See:

neweurope.eu/article/fillion-presidential-candidate-les-republicains/

**Making France great again

“France can’t bear its decline. It wants the truth, and it wants action,” he said on Sunday evening. More than three million French were engaged in these primaries to elect the Presidential candidate of les Républicains, who pollsters project may also be the next President of France…

He combines an unusual for France public allegiance to Christian values with a program that includes abolishing the 35-hour week and moving to undercut the power of unions. He wears the accusation of being “Thatcherite” as a badge.

However, he is socially conservative and opposes same-sex marriage, opposes abortion, and has been recently accused of misogyny…

Fillion addresses a France that has suffered successive terrorist attacks has double-digit unemployment. “Making France great again” or “France first” are slogans resonating with the public.

For over a year polls suggest Marine Le Pen of the far-right Front National will make it to the second round of Presidential elections.

That means that the French conservative right will have two candidates with a similar social agenda and one significant cleavage, that is, Europe. Fillion will carry the badge of the pro-European.

According to the polls, the Socialists do not stand a chance with any candidate against Marine Le Pen. In the Presidential runoff, Fillion could have the support of the pro-European political spectrum. **


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