[quote=Quies_Noctum]A new twist…
He has shifted focus a little. I mentioned that God doesn’t make us do things. I also said that he knows what we are going to do before we do it. He came back with:
“So God knows we are going to do it, but doesn’t make us do it. Then we could choose to do something different?”
[size=1]I said that God knows what we’re going to do. We can’t trip him up by somehow doing something he didn’t expect.
Now he said:
[/size][/font]"Hmm…so he knows what we are going to do no matter what. He knows what we will do before we do it, so there is no way to change our minds. We (in a way) have to do it.
You also may want to point out that if God did not know what we will choose, before we choose it, it would mean that God was not all knowing - it would show a defect in God.
I sometimes use this example. I say this: "Let’s say that “time” is a ruler that has 12 inches. The first inch is the time of Adam and Eve. A little further on (maybe the 3rd inch), we have the time of Noah, then around the 6th inch, the time of Moses; then Jesus’s day around the 9th inch. We are near the end of the ruler. For those in living in “time” (on the ruler), the previous inches were the past, whereas the inches that have not yet been reached are the future; but for God He sees it all at once, as we would when viewing a ruler from above. God is outside of time. IF we make a resolution to do one thing, then later change our mind, God knew all along what our final choice would be since he is outside of time and all knowling - we cannot trick God by chaning our mind. God gave us free will, and told us how we are to use it. Since He is all knowing, he knows what our choices will be, but he never forces us to choose either way. That is why it is called free-will.
Don’t be surprised if the person you are talking to doesn’t get it. A lot of people have fallen into error over free will, predestination, fate, etc. If you get a little confused, come back here for help. There are a lot of good people here who will be able to help you.