Freed Iranians Never Boarded Flight Out of US


#1

None of the Iranians freed from US custody in ‘prisoner swap’ chose to return to Iran. abcn.ws/20cublI


#2

They had a choice?


#3

It was a prisoner swap.:shrug:

They obviously did have a choice too, and they chose America over Iran.


#4

what does that tell us?


#5

It tells us very little. These Iranians were living in the US before they were captured too. They were convicted of illegally exporting military hardware back to Iran. But they were already here. It is no surprise that now that they are free, they would want to continue living here. And their choice tells us nothing about their current allegiances.


#6

Perhaps not, but it does tell us they did not shrink from criminality when the opportunity presented.


#7

Yes, but we knew that long before they were released. Their release told us nothing we did not already know.


#8

No, it did. It told us that they are criminals, that Iran wanted them released and that the government complied.


#9

Were any of the hostages freed from Iran criminals selling secrets to America?
It was a little ironic to read that one of the swapped prisoners held by Iran, who happened to stay in Iran was a it of a mystery as to who it was being released even.

A journalist, a pastor, and a marine were exchanged for the seven convicted or charged Iranians, and an agreement to not persecute 14 other Iranians already charged Iranians.


#10

Well, I guess the most essential thing that it tells us is that the current administration is not at all serious about the war on Islamists. Known, convicted spies working on behalf of a hostile country had their release negotiated on behalf of that hostile country, and the American administration did not insist on their removal from the country.
They were not pardoned. They were guilty and they were to be swapped to the country that they were working for out of the country that they were betraying.

They are free to carry on with their work against America.

Obama has no interest in protecting American interests.


#11

Their utility as spies is severely compromised now. There is not much harm in letting them stay.

Obama has no interest in protecting American interests.

The release of those held by Iran is an American interest.

Also it is in the interest of America to encourage the pro-American faction among the populace in Iran, which is quite substantial, even though that faction is not currently represented well in the Iranian government. That faction could do things from within the county that we are unable to do from the outside. It would be foolish to throw away that potential path to change.


#12

That is only the kind of argument that can be made when justice is deemed to be of no importance. It also assume a competence on the American security system that is often not in evidence.

The release of those held by Iran is an American interest.

True enough.

Also it is in the interest of America to encourage the pro-American faction among the populace in Iran, which is quite substantial, even though that faction is not currently represented well in the Iranian government. That faction could do things from within the county that we are unable to do from the outside. It would be foolish to throw away that potential path to change.

That is something that Obama dropped the ball on seven years ago when he supported the ayatollahs over the green movement.


#13

According to the article, all but one of them are American citizens. There is no indication that they were stripped of their American citizenship. Therefore, if they don’t want to go, they don’t have to.


#14

I didn’t know that. Thanks for bringing it up.


#15

Having read the article, I did know that.
The does not make the ‘swap’ any less of a farce.


#16

I agree. But on the other hand, The Iranian Eight’s decision to remain in the U.S. makes them subject to arrest and prosecution if they should misbehave in the future.


#17

I think the Americans who were released from Iranian prisons would disagree with you.


#18

I think not.

The relase of those wrongly imprisoned American hostages would have been the same either way, since the return of those Iranian-Americans from American prisons involved them being released to Iran. That is why they were flown to Switzerland for that neutral exchange.

The fact that the planes brought them to Switzerland for that exchange back to America proves that it was a farce.


#19

That is the same for anybody. The injustice lies in them not being punished according to American law for past crimes.


#20

There is always “injustice” in any prisoner exchange. Each side claims their prisoners are guilty of crimes. An exchange is a pragmatic agreement that each side perceives as an overall benefit. If nations always insisted on strict satisfaction of their idea of justice, there would never be any prisoner exchanges. In this case the “past crimes” of the Iranians was an attempt to export prohibited military hardware. That is hardly something that demands uncompromising retribution.


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