French Homosexuals Plan “Kiss-In” at Notre Dame Cathedral

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PARIS, February 10, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A French homosexualist organization will be staging a “kiss-in” at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris this Sunday, St. Valentine’s day. Dozens of homosexuals are expected to turn up and kiss for five minutes at 2 p.m., after services at the cathedral.

Organizer Arthur Vautier told a Paris homosexual magazine, Tetu, that the demonstration is meant to “ challenge the Church to question religion on the issue of love and marriage between gays and between lesbians.”

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If I, and a group of likeminded people, decided that this was pushing things too far, and decided to stand firmly at the steps of the cathedral in order to block this abomination from happening, would we be considered to be acting contrary to the principles of the Catholic faith? If that would be the case, then I would find myself a heretic, for I would stand against this thing with all the force my nature could muster. I do not care that they defile themslves, but when they purport to have the audacity to openly desecrate a monument to God Himself, they need to be stopped!! I wish I lived in Paris.

If it were me in charge, I'd only allow registered parishioners in and then lock the doors.

They have no right to do this. How revolting, what an outrage and insult to Our Lord! :mad::mad::mad:

I’d have a group of male parishioners waiting to escort them out of the Cathedral or block them from entering. :slight_smile:

If I lived in Paris, I think I’d be less than “tolerant” of their intolerance of our Church.

Canon Law

Can. 1210 In a sacred place only those things are to be permitted which serve to exercise or promote worship, piety and religion. Anything out of harmony with the holiness of the place is forbidden. The Ordinary may however, for individual cases, permit other uses, provided they are not contrary to the sacred character of the place.

Can. 1211 Sacred places are desecrated by acts done in them which are gravely injurious and give scandal to the faithful when, in the judgement of the local Ordinary, these acts are so serious and so contrary to the sacred character of the place that worship may not be held there until the harm is repaired by means of the penitential rite which is prescribed in the liturgical books.

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If I, and a group of likeminded people, decided that this was pushing things too far, and decided to stand firmly at the steps of the cathedral in order to block this abomination from happening, would we be considered to be acting contrary to the principles of the Catholic faith? If that would be the case, then I would find myself a heretic, for I would stand against this thing with all the force my nature could muster. I do not care that they defile themslves, but when they purport to have the audacity to openly desecrate a monument to God Himself, they need to be stopped!! I wish I lived in Paris.

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seconded. that is disgusting, deeply disrespectful, and crude.

i dare them to try the same at a large, well-known and well attended mosque. see what happens.

can the church (Notre Dame) legally not allow them in? after all, they are not worshipping or on a tour.

[quote="Trishie, post:5, topic:186482"]
Canon Law

Can. 1210 In a sacred place only those things are to be permitted which serve to exercise or promote worship, piety and religion. Anything out of harmony with the holiness of the place is forbidden. The Ordinary may however, for individual cases, permit other uses, provided they are not contrary to the sacred character of the place.

Can. 1211 Sacred places are desecrated by acts done in them which are gravely injurious and give scandal to the faithful when, in the judgement of the local Ordinary, these acts are so serious and so contrary to the sacred character of the place that worship may not be held there until the harm is repaired by means of the penitential rite which is prescribed in the liturgical books.

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In this case since they know the time the best thing to do is just simply not have Mass at that time and lock the doors at the appointed time so they can not come in and desecrate God's sacred space.

The article actually mentioned that…

"One French blogger noted that the choice of targets is selective. “Strangely, the extremists of the homosexual cause do not assemble to the Grand Mosque of Paris. However, it is in Muslim countries (that apply Sharia [law]) that homosexuals are executed!”

Vautier, however, said his group does not “fear a backlash” from Christians."

So I guess we’re “tame” enough. We have all truth, but no zeal :frowning:

[quote="addictedkoala, post:8, topic:186482"]
The article actually mentioned that...

"One French blogger noted that the choice of targets is selective. “Strangely, the extremists of the homosexual cause do not assemble to the Grand Mosque of Paris. However, it is in Muslim countries (that apply Sharia [law]) that homosexuals are executed!”

Vautier, however, said his group does not “fear a backlash” from Christians."

So I guess we're "tame" enough. We have all truth, but no zeal :(

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actually, i am glad that we do not imprison or kill homosexuals.

the correct response is grace, and evangelism. but that doesn't mean we allow our holy spaces to be desecrated and mocked, either.

and yes, i find it funny that the gay rights activists are not more outraged by those Islamic countries who routinely imprison or execute homosexuals, to the point of say staging a kiss-in at a large, well-known, conservative mosque. how odd.

thanks for citing the article btw. :thumbsup:

i agree with Sabda, but then it's a shame to lock out worshippers so that the activists can not go through with their planned, staged event.

are there no laws (religious freedom laws) against this? i can't image a Hindu temple, mosque, or synagogue putting up with this, or not feeling within their rights to call the authroities, were this to happen during puja, salah, or shabbat.

[quote="grace_singh, post:9, topic:186482"]
actually, i am glad that we do not imprison or kill homosexuals.

the correct response is grace, and evangelism. but that doesn't mean we allow our holy spaces to be desecrated and mocked, either.

and yes, i find it funny that the gay rights activists are not more outraged by those Islamic countries who routinely imprison or execute homosexuals, to the point of say staging a kiss-in at a large, well-known, conservative mosque. how odd.

thanks for citing the article btw. :thumbsup:

i agree with Sabda, but then it's a shame to lock out worshippers so that the activists can not go through with their planned, staged event.

are there no laws (religious freedom laws) against this? i can't image a Hindu temple, mosque, or synagogue putting up with this, or not feeling within their rights to call the authroities, were this to happen during puja, salah, or shabbat.

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I think it's definitely a form of reverse-racism. As Christians are the majority religion, it's not inappropriate to do bad things to us because of our so called "intolerant" views. However, Muslims are a "persecuted" minority. We don't want to trample on their rights. :rolleyes:

But yes, love and grace are the way to go. We have to admit, many times Christians approach this subject with an overzealous response. Gay-bashing does occur. unfortunately, and that's another big reason why many homosexuals target the Church

the thing is though that Muslims do not plan to remain a minority for long.

if the Christians retaliate violently, they are rightly screamed at for being un-Christ-like, and at the same time protesters use this as an excuse to mock or offend Christians in grotesque and insensitive ways.

like i said, i can't image a Hindu temple, conservative mosque, or Orthodox synagogue putting up with this for an instant. nor should they be expected to. and if by that token, in all fairness and objectivity, neither should Christians.

I concur :slight_smile:

2009 ‘Kiss-in’ in France: observers.france24.com/en/content/20090929-gay-lesbian-kiss-central-paris-kiss-in-france
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On Saturday,September 26 at 4pm sharp, 11 French cities hosted the third edition of France’s national “Kiss In”, an informal gay rights movements where gay and lesbian couples assemble in a crowded public spot to kiss for all to see. *

aindreas2.livejournal.com/
The Paris Kiss-In on Valentines Day[2010] has moved to Ste Michel Fountain;

The rest of the article is in French. Excerpts:

*Le kiss-in du 14 fvrier Paris tait initialement prvu sur le parvis de Notre-Dame (qui est, puisqu’il faut le prciser, un lieu PUBLIC), et n’avait pas pour vocation d’agresser, ni mme de provoquer l’glise et les catholiques.

Nous choisissons donc une troisime voie, et appelons tous les participants se replier sur un autre lieu, voisin du premier : la place Saint-Michel. Ainsi, nous serons en vue de la cathdrale, sans donner nos dtracteurs l’opportunit de nous taxer de provocateurs.*

The location has been changed for reasons of security and public safety, but is still within view of Notre Dame Cathedral, if my French serves me correctly. The organizers’ complaint is that Notre Dame is a ‘public’ place, therefore no one should have had the right to object. Apparently, to them, nothing is sacred.

that is great! i am glad it's been moved! that is a relief.

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thank you, Linda! and thank you Lord, most of all.

Time for the K of C to stand guard with swords drawn.

I believe what this group is doing is abhorrently wrong. But I would not react. Christ turned the other cheek. I think the best echo would be to ignore them and turn all cameras off. If people want to come inside, then no cameras on that particular day. If they do it outside the church, there is little that can be done for them. I would dedicate the mass “to those openly living in sin.”

Whatever happened to "let us do whatsoever we want to in privacy behind closed doors"? Apparently, legalizing harmful and self-destructive behaviors didn't bring them the happiness they thought they would get, since their consciences still hurts them. Now they want everyone else to proclaim how great and wonderful their harmful and self-destructive behaviors are, all in a vain attempt at feeling good about themselves by trying to force everyone to shout over of the voice of conscience within.

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You know, I think this is a very insightful post.
Like the catechism states, homosexuality has defined a lot of different behaviors over the millenia and is poorly understood. Science tells us though, that there is an association between homosexuality and anti-social behavior. At one level at least it involves an acting out against social norms as a means to offend and thereby satisfy the anti-social impulses.

By now making homosexuality as an acceptable social norm, the anti-social tendencies that are associated with the behavior of a percentage of homosexuals are no longer fulfilled just by the behavior itself. It no longer initiates outrage, and therefore more and more provocative expressions of one’s proclivities must become acted upon by the anti-social personality.

Anyways I think that your post said it best. It was very insightful.

Thanks.

I wonder how many fruits actually attended the mass. Why wouldn't they protest at some protestant church.:rolleyes:

christiantelegraph.com/issue8702.html

Catholics force gay "kiss-in" away from Notre Dame

French homosexualist demonstrators had planned to have a "kiss in" in front of Notre Dame cathedral in Paris this Valentine's day. But in response to the protests of a group of young French Catholics and patriots, it was moved away from the church of Our Lady, reports James Tillman, LifeSiteNews.com.

The kiss-in was ostensibly meant to combat “homophobia.” The organizer of the kiss-in, Arthur Vauthier, had nevertheless said that it was a "way to challenge the Church, to question the Church on the question of love and marriage between gays and between lesbians." He had furthermore boasted that he was "not afraid of a backlash."

A number of Catholic and nationalist websites and blogs called on Catholics to "respond with courtesy and firmness to the provocation." French Action called on people to help resist the demonstration, stating that "France is not a nightclub."

The police then advised the demonstration's organizers to change its location because of a possible clash between the homosexualists and the Catholics. The event was moved to Saint-Michel, nearby.

Some homosexualist demonstrators, however, decided to go ahead with their plan anyway.

But a group of roughly 200 young Catholics had gathered by the time the homosexualists decided to start kissing each other in front of Notre Dame. The group of Catholics started shouting at the demonstrators at which point the police stepped in between the two groups and moved the gay activists away from the church. A video shows the Catholics, after moving the demonstrators away from Notre Dame, chanting "Habemus Papam!" – or “We have a pope.”

Similar kiss-ins by Catholic or Mormon places of worship have been performed successfully by homosexualists throughout the world.

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