French Poll Shows Fillon, Le Pen, Macron in Tight Race


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bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-05/french-poll-shows-fillon-le-pen-macron-in-tight-race

**French Poll Shows Fillon, Le Pen, Macron in Tight Race

The latest French presidential poll shows the Republicans candidate Francois Fillon, National Front candidate Marine Le Pen, and independent Emmanuel Macron in a tight race.

In next April 23’s first round, depending on who else runs, the center-right’s Fillon would receive between 23 and 28 percent, the anti-immigration Le Pen would receive between 22 and 24 percent, and former Economy Minister Macron between 16 and 24 percent, according to a Elabe poll for Les Echos. The top two qualify for a run off May 7.**


#2

All to play for.


#3

I like Le Pen. Back in the days, between her father and Chirac - Chirac without a doubt. :slight_smile: But, poor France has become an uncontrollable mess which Le Pen may be able to clean up.


#4

I like her too!


#5

Fillon is actually the most Catholic-friendly candidate out of the three - by a country mile. Indeed he’s the first candidate for the presidency to explicitly court the Catholic vote and play to the Catholic electoral constituency in the entire history of the Fifth French Republic, which is not known for such displays of religious affiliation given its strong secularist tradition.

Le Pen has views on abortion that would position her along Democrat lines in the U.S., despite being a far-right ideologue in terms of immigration, nationalism etc. She’s also a strong supporter of France’s famously (or infamously depending on your perspective) generous welfare state, another thing that wouldn’t sit well with the GOP or Trump. Out of the three main contenders, Le Pen is the only one not seriously pushing for market reform to make the French state less bloated and the economy more market-friendly to boost productivity. From a Catholic point of view, that’s probably the most admirable or at least inoffensive part of her otherswise toxic platform, but from a purely economic perspective she’s actually proposing nothing to help rejuvenate the flagging French economy - which needs liberalization. And from a conservative American view point, her pro-welfarism would conventionally be declared “socialist” and strongly condemned for creating a culture of dependency on the state.

Her niece Marion has actually fallen out with her over her “socially liberal” public stance on moral issues and Laicite, threatening to split the party. Marion has been losing the support of Catholic voters in her southern region of France to Fillon.

I doubt that many orthodox Catholics in France would advocate Le Pen - whose platform is very far indeed from both our moral and social doctrines in most respects - over Fillon. In France, they clearly aren’t - hence why she’s lost the “Catholic” vote, so to speak, by a wide margin to Fillon thus far.


#6

thanks for sharing more info - especially on abortion.


#7

St Joan of Arc, St Therese of Liseaux, pray for us.


#8

Fillon would get my vote.


#9

See:

wsj.com/articles/francois-fillon-embracing-his-catholicism-challenges-frances-secular-tradition-1483471514

**François Fillon, Embracing His Catholicism, Challenges France’s Secular Tradition

When French presidential contender François Fillon marked the Feast of the Assumption last summer, he attended Mass at Solesmes Abbey, a Benedictine monastery known for resisting the anticlerical purges of the French Revolution. The trip, coming just weeks after the slaying of a Catholic priest in a terror attack, didn’t go unnoticed.

“He doesn’t hide the fact that he’s Catholic,” said Christophe Billan, head of Sens Commun, a grass-roots movement comprising thousands of French Catholics.

In France, the strict separation between personal faith and public life, known as laïcité, is a pillar of national identity. However, a confluence of events—from the legalization of gay marriage to the more recent string of Islamist terror attacks—has many conservative voters looking to the country’s Christian heritage as a bulwark.

Mr. Fillon’s candidacy is seizing on that impulse. In publicly embracing his faith, the 62-year-old is tapping a wellspring of Catholic voters who have begun coalescing into a potentially decisive voting bloc.

His performance during the country’s first-ever conservative primaries provided the clearest sign yet of the revived Catholic vote. After lagging behind rivals for weeks, Mr. Fillon spent the homestretch of the race debating opponent Alain Juppé over which of them stood closer to the teachings of Pope Francis—a development Le Monde described as “unprecedented.”

More than two-thirds of the people who voted in the primaries described themselves as Catholic in exit polls, and they helped hand Mr. Fillon a commanding victory. Pollster OpinionWay said 83% of Catholics who regularly attend Mass voted for Mr. Fillon and 68% of nonpracticing Catholics also backed him. Between 55%-60% of the overall French electorate identifies as Catholic, according to Jerome Fourquet, director of polling firm IFOP.**


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For comparison:

christiantoday.com/article/frances.front.national.lashes.out.at.the.catholic.church.over.refugees/103565.htm

**France’s Front National Lashes Out At The Catholic Church Over Refugees

Three leaders of the French nationalist party Front National have hit out at French bishops for supporting refugees.

They demanded that Catholic leaders stay out of politics and concentrate instead on “filling their churches”.

In one of several post-Christmas radio interviews given by the party figures, the party’s vice-president Louis Aliot complained about the attitude of the bishops towards the Front.

“I’ve never seen a large majority of Catholics voting for us,” he said. “I’ve seen a large majority of bishops spit in our face, one has to say, and systemically denigrate the Front National, its leaders and its policies.”

Aliot went on: “Catholics should concern themselves with filling their churches — which is not certain they can do, let me tell you— and should let the political parties manage public affairs.”

Gilbert Collard, one of FN’s two MPs in the National Assembly, said the church was “disconnected from reality”. He added: “In the name of welcoming others, they reject us.”…

And while party secretary-general Nicolas Bay denied that the interviews were a “declaration of war”, he added that the Front National “didn’t need to hear any lessons from the clergy about migration”.

The attacks came as France prepares for presidential and parliamentary elections in the spring. The race for president appears to be between the Front leader Marine Le Pen and conservative François Fillon.

Fillon enjoys strong support among Catholics, but The Tablet reported that there is division within the FN over whether to seek to woo members of the church.

On the one hand, Le Pen and Aliot reportedly reject the church while others, including Le Pen’s niece Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, have been trying to appeal to traditional Catholics.**

The National Front under Le Pen are quite anticlerical, anti religious and rabidly secular.


#11

does Fillon encourage refugees like Merkel as far as the Catholic stance on immigration?


#12

I saw that and a similar article.

I hope he wins.


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