=Wandile;9784276]So today I was at school (I’m in first year at University) and I had a discussion which touched on some important issues :
1 - My friend started to allege that although God is Trinity, there was a time pre-genesis that God fused into 1 being as the father alone and that the “separation” of persons happened later… I pointed out to him that God has always been trinity as the scripture says God is the same yesterday, today and forever. He still kept pushing his ideology despite this
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For one who professes the bible only; these OUGHT [but likely wil not] cause reflection:(
2- I touched on the bible and how protestants had vandalised the holy text by removing 7 books from the bible. He acknowledged that, that was wrong but then immediately contradicted this by saying he will only believe in the 66 book bible because he doesn’t know the 7 other books :banghead:
A rather STRANGE and unsupportable position as “the bible” was completely written by the end of the 1st. Century, and the 73 books CODIFIED and approved by God in the FOURTH Century and the “66 book edited edition” was a LATE Protestant innovation of the 16th. Century…:rolleyes:
Deut.4: 2 “You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it; that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
3- He claims he doesn’t trust the Church and believes in the bible alone. I told him that the Church gave him the bible so he should trust the Church that gave him the bible. He refused and started throwing cheap shots and straw man statements like saying the Pope is a child molester, Catholics worship statues etc.
THIS IS THE STRANGEST OF ALL OF HIS CHOSEN BELIEFS. “BIBLE ALONE” CANNOT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE. BUT FOLLOWING TRADITIONS CAN:)
2 Thessalonians 2:14 “Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.”
Luke 9:26 “For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.”
ALWAYS AND EVERYWHERE IN BOTH THE OLD AND THE NEW TESTAMENTS GOD CONSISTANLY TAUGHT:
Belief in Only One God [Triune] Mt.28-16-20
Only one set of Faith beliefs ALSO Mt. 16:28-20
and Only One Church
2nd. Peter 1: 16-21 “You will do well to pay attention to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”
John.10: 16 “And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd”
Ps.127:1 “Unless the LORD builds the house, those who build it labor in vain.
Unless the LORD watches over the city, the watchman stays awake in vain”
Eph. 4: 1-7 “I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift.
Eph. 2:19-20 “So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”
AND IT IS BIBLICALLY INDISPUITABLE THAT GOD HIMSELF IN PERSON
GAVE THE “KEYS TO HEAVENS ACCESS” TO ONLY PETER AND THE CC [MT.16-15-19] AND READ JOHN 20;19-23… THESE TO ARE CATHOLIC EXCLUSIVES:D
Please give me any advice on how to approach any of these issues? One thing I do know is that I need to be patient… Also please say prayers for the both of us and for ,more importantly, the reunification of the Church
There is soo much more I could share,
DON"T get mad. Pray for yourself and this person.
pat /PJM here on the FORUM