(Future) Catholic - Non Catholic Marriage


#1

Hey everyone. Just wanted to give a little background before I dive into the current situation. My wife (age 25) and I (age 22) have been married for almost 3 years. We have a 9-month old daughter. Growing up, I was raised in the Church of God (Anderson) denomination. I quit when I was 16 when I got my drivers license, mainly because the church was mostly older, demographic wise and the preacher I grew up with switched churches and it really declined. When I was a senior in high school and starting college, I went to my first Catholic mass with a buddy of mine and from that first mass, I knew that the Catholic Church was for me. Growing up, I always attended church but never really enjoyed it. In the Catholic mass, I loved the liturgy, the rituals, and just everything about it. It was very different from what I was used to, but I enjoyed it. My wife grew up in the non-denominational Christian Churches and this is what she enjoys. She enjoys a blended - contemporary style of worship consisting of both traditional and contemporary songs. She has attended Mass with me once and it was at a Cathedral and she felt it was very boring. I really didn’t enjoy that service either but I think it was just because of that particular church. I have attended a mass since then at a local parish and just really enjoy it. I have talked to my wife about becoming Catholic and she basically said that I can become Catholic but her and our 9-month old daughter are not going to be Catholic. I almost had her convinced once but then she gave me a list of things she disagreed with (transubstantiation, pope, infant baptism,etc.) I asked her if I could take our daughter to CCD when she gets older and she said she will raise her in the faith SHE believes in. I need some help and guidance from you all here at Catholic Forums. I am not Catholic yet but really want to start RCIA this year when it starts again. I don’t know what to do. My whole family is against the Catholic faith (they really don’t know what they believe). Is it silly for me to be Catholic alone and just let my daughter and wife go their separate ways to church? When my daughter gets older, she is going to wonder why I go to church alone. They have recently been going with my in-laws to church with them. I just feel out of place going alone and not having family there with me. I know that some of you might say try a denomination that fits in between Catholic and Protestant (Lutheran, Episcopal, etc.) but why go to a different one when I can go to the One, True, Catholic Church? We have tried Episcopal in the past but my wife only liked the contemporary service and now that I work Sundays, we can’t go. Most Catholic parishes in the area have Saturday evening, early Sunday morning, and late Sunday evening masses that fit my schedule, thankfully. Any suggestions?


#2

No discussion on any of this before you two were married?


#3

We have had many discussions in the past about church in general but this past year I have really wanted and have been interested in the Catholic Church and it just has been causing major issues.


#4

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We have had many discussions in the past about church in general but this past year I have really wanted and have been interested in the Catholic Church and it just has been causing major issues.

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You can fulfill you obligation by going to mass on Saturday, then attend your wife's church on Sunday. Meanwhile, pray for your family, for God's guidance and direction. Take it slowly. You have a lot of time before your daughter will start asking these questions.

BTW, for transparency's sake, I should let you know i am not catholic.


#5

Pray pray pray. Let the Holy spirit enter in. Your wife is not neutral, but actually anti-Catholic, or she would not care about that faith that your daughter will be raised in.

As to the mass, it will not be boring once she realizes that it is not a service, it is Jesus Christ being made present with us. We stand in the upper room with Him at the Last Supper. We are at the foot of the cross at Calvary. The angels of heaven hover over us at the consecration. It is not that we travel through time, but that the timeless sacrifice at Calvary is made present to us. The ritual, the liturgy, the music, the prayers - everything is subservient to our Lord Jesus Christ, Who arrives in our presence in His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity at mass. It took me years to come to this realization, but once we understand it, the mass will never again be boring. Christ is spiritually present in her services, but not in any way that is tangible to the senses. We eat, we chew, we gnaw, we drink Christ in at communion. Priceless.

Please consider getting a copy of Catholicism for Dummies. It is an amazing book that explains every aspect of the faith. You can learn so much from it, and so can your wife - if she will just read it. But, she has to want to read it. First, explain your excitement about the mass to her. Show her how much the faith has become to you. Go to adoration of our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament and pray for your wife in His presence. Expect a miracle. Be patient.


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[quote="freerf, post:4, topic:231373"]
You can fulfill you obligation by going to mass on Saturday, then attend your wife's church on Sunday. Meanwhile, pray for your family, for God's guidance and direction. Take it slowly. You have a lot of time before your daughter will start asking these questions.

BTW, for transparency's sake, I should let you know i am not catholic.

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Excellent advice. :thumbsup: If OP's wife will go, I strongly suggest taking her along and explaining what is actually occurring, as Catholic mass is entirely different from any other form of Christian worship or service (except the Orthodox mass).


#7

Were you married in the Church?

If so was she told that part of your obligation as a Catholic was to raise your children Catholic?

Does she understand that she agreed to this before God?


#8

Hi. Hello and welcome.

Shooting a bit from the hip here –

Let me start with my conclusion, first, then give my reasoning:

  1. Become Catholic and go to mass, alone if need be; and
  2. It is not up to your wife to decide how your daughter is raised…at most, she has 50% say (many real traditional folks will say you’re the head of the family, YOU decide). It is up to both of you, as a team.

Now, some responses to some of what you write:

Your wife “has attended Mass with me once and it was at a Cathedral and she felt it was very boring.”
–Considering what she’s used to, this is not surprising! However, the issue should not be “what’s fun?,” but rather “what is the most faithful to how Jesus would want us to worship?”

“I have talked to my wife about becoming Catholic and she basically said that I can become Catholic but her and our 9-month old daughter are not going to be Catholic.”
–It’s not up to her to decide. I would recommend you communicate with her – it’s not her decision, alone. Baby can maybe go to both churches, but Baby (name?) is going to Church, period.

“I almost had her convinced once but then she gave me a list of things she disagreed with (transubstantiation, pope, infant baptism,etc.)”
–I recommend “Catholicism & Fundamentalism” by Karl Keating. Granted she’s not really fundamentalist, but Keating tackles a LOT of misinformation promulgated by “Bible Christians.” Buy a copy (in fact, buy 2). Give her one. Read the other. Discuss it in the car… at dinner…but discuss it.

“I don’t know what to do. My whole family is against the Catholic faith (they really don’t know what they believe).”
–That’s a great thing about the Catholic faith…it’s uniform, meaning that you will get the same interpretations/answers on various issues in a Church in California as you will in Maine (assuming you are in the US!)…
—…but by contrast, lots of other people are not so much anti-Catholic (but they exist) as they are just…really, really confused. Look around – so many people today just seem lost. What’s worse, lots of people who are lost find it easy to hate on a man with a map who knows where he’s going. :slight_smile:

“Is it silly for me to be Catholic alone and just let my daughter and wife go their separate ways to church?”
–“Silly” isn’t the right way to describe it. I’ve seen it quoted that the single biggest factor in whether children go to church is whether Dad goes. Go…

…and above all, LIVE the Gospel.

The greatest witness you can give to the Catholic faith is to live as Jesus wanted us to. Be a man of integrity and honor. Be a good husband and a good daddy. In short, be the best man your wife and baby see each day…

…and you might convince them that way much more than any book ever would.

You also might point out some other aspects of Catholic faith in action. Many think the greatest thinker in human history was St. Thomas Aquinas. His philosophy puts many lesser lights to shame. Look at someone like Mother Theresa of Calcutta – she is a shining example of what Catholicism can work on the world. And how about health care? Absent Catholic hospitals US healthcare might collapse. The Catholic Church worldwide is the single largest charity provider on earth.

Finally you write, “I know that some of you might say try a denomination that fits in between Catholic and Protestant (Lutheran, Episcopal, etc.) but why go to a different one when I can go to the One, True, Catholic Church?”
–Why, indeed? IMHO, that is no answer or substitute to the calling you feel. Hold out for Catholicism, my friend. But be prepared to go to church alone. However, you should nonetheless invite your wife, often.

I hope this helps. I most sincerely wish you the best.

-VdT


#9

Yes, I agree with the others, do not substitute something lesser for the calling you are feeling. And I would say you should take your daughter with you as well. Nothing wrong with her going to both churches.

It's funny and somewhat sad that mixed faith marriages with a Catholic and a Protestant seem to be tougher than those like mine, where my wife is agnostic but open and permissive of me teaching our daughter the Catholic faith.


#10

Welcome Home !

First I just want to say that compromising on a church IMO seems like a protestant idea. ie find a church you are comfortable with. Catholics in a small town with only one Catholic church go to that church no matter how much they dislike the priest because one of the main reasons Catholics go to church is to fulfill there Sunday obligation.

I have met protestants who laugh at the concept ‘obligation’ they think you should go because you want to. No, Jesus has done so much for me one hour of my week for him seems like very little to ask from me.

As for your wife converting. The more you nag, the more she will resist. Perhaps for now, just focus on your RCIA class. (and be sure to thank her for watching your daugther so you can go). After you know more about the faith, you will have more credibility. Also (and this may take years) after she sees you are serious and have not missed mass in years, she will take you more seriously. Right now, it may appear to just be a fad to her.

God Bless

CM


#11

Yes, it has become, with the plethora of available denominations, a form of theological capitalism: competition, marketing, winners and losers, and the spiritual Wal-Marts putting the mom-n-pop churches under.

You nailed this one! “He to whom much has been given, much more is expected”


#12

First off, I am protestant and my wife is Catholic.

We have a very specific agreement on how we handle our religious differences, including children.

Now, with that out of the way, I have to say some of you are truly shameful with your rah-rah for your own "team". If the tables were turned, and one married half of a Catholic couple asked how to go about switching faiths and taking the children with him/her, you ALL would be up in arms about how AWFUL this partner was acting.

Neither was or is Catholic at marriage (from how I read it, it sounds like the OP has an interest in Catholicism, but it is a more recent revival). One now wants to switch faiths and take a child along for the ride. The OP is changing the family dynamic unilaterally, and some of you are acting like the wife is suddenly being unreasonable. Honestly.

To the OP: I wish you luck. Just remember your wife has just as much say as you (good luck following the advice about your wife having "at most" 50% say. Sheesh) And don't even think about going down the "True Church" path with your wife. Trust me, that will not, in any way, help your cause.


#13

Hello! A couple of things-- this is all quite new to your wife from the sounds of it-- if you decide to formally go through inquiry, discuss what you learn without pushing it on her. She may become interested, and decide to explore Catholicism more as a result.

I’m not a fan of charismatic services, but she might enjoy them more, since they are more emotive (and if if this is something she finds compelling, it may feel more natural to her).

Whatever you do, both of you need to be respectful of each other, especially since you are both doing your best to nurture a relationship with God.


#14

Catholics, like all persons, have an obligation before God to hold fast to the Truth as far as we know it. We know God is a jealous God - He is jealous of our love, fidelity, worship and loyalty. We offend His Majesty when we give credence to those things which we know are not of Him, are possibly offensive to Him or are substitutes for Him. Catholics, therefore, have every right to demand a double-standard that favours Catholicism and the Catholic Church. We suffer dissent, schism, heresy, etc., only for the sake of the greater good. Ultimately, error has no rights.

Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation, and “he who does not have Church as Mother cannot have God as Father.” Jesus Christ Himself gives us access to the Father through His Body, the Church. When one comes to know and understand the Catholic Church, her doctrines, her history, her theology, etc., then one becomes increasingly bound to them because they are the Truth, the Light, and reveal to us the Way. Following Catholic teaching reveals us and makes us to be the disciples of Christ.

The Catholic Church is the True Church ; the Catholic Faith, the True Faith. This is not a thesis statement but a fact demonstrable with evidence. We are not bound to the Church owing to mere preferences, likes or tastes, but because she carries the Truth and is the vehicle, agent, means, etc., that God Himself has commanded we find and seek salvation from. The Catholic Church was established by Him to whom we owe all good things, and every thanks.

Pax Christi,
Tim


#15

You must learn learn your own faith - this is not the teaching of the Catholic Church.

Wounds to unity

817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ’s Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism270 - do not occur without human sin:

Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.271

818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272

819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276

Toward unity

820 "Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of time."277 Christ always gives his Church the gift of unity, but the Church must always pray and work to maintain, reinforce, and perfect the unity that Christ wills for her. This is why Jesus himself prayed at the hour of his Passion, and does not cease praying to his Father, for the unity of his disciples: "That they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, . . . so that the world may know that you have sent me."278 The desire to recover the unity of all Christians is a gift of Christ and a call of the Holy Spirit.279

821 Certain things are required in order to respond adequately to this call:

  • a permanent renewal of the Church in greater fidelity to her vocation; such renewal is the driving-force of the movement toward unity;280
  • conversion of heart as the faithful “try to live holier lives according to the Gospel”;281 for it is the unfaithfulness of the members to Christ’s gift which causes divisions;
  • prayer in common, because “change of heart and holiness of life, along with public and private prayer for the unity of Christians, should be regarded as the soul of the whole ecumenical movement, and merits the name 'spiritual ecumenism;”'282
  • fraternal knowledge of each other;283
  • ecumenical formation of the faithful and especially of priests;284
  • dialogue among theologians and meetings among Christians of the different churches and communities;285
  • collaboration among Christians in various areas of service to mankind.286 “Human service” is the idiomatic phrase.

822 Concern for achieving unity "involves the whole Church, faithful and clergy alike."287 But we must realize “that this holy objective - the reconciliation of all Christians in the unity of the one and only Church of Christ - transcends human powers and gifts.” That is why we place all our hope "in the prayer of Christ for the Church, in the love of the Father for us, and in the power of the Holy Spirit."288


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II. THE CHURCH IS HOLY

823 "The Church . . . is held, as a matter of faith, to be unfailingly holy. This is because Christ, the Son of God, who with the Father and the Spirit is hailed as 'alone holy,' loved the Church as his Bride, giving himself up for her so as to sanctify her; he joined her to himself as his body and endowed her with the gift of the Holy Spirit for the glory of God."289 The Church, then, is "the holy People of God,"290 and her members are called "saints."291

824 United with Christ, the Church is sanctified by him; through him and with him she becomes sanctifying. "All the activities of the Church are directed, as toward their end, to the sanctification of men in Christ and the glorification of God."292 It is in the Church that "the fullness of the means of salvation"293 has been deposited. It is in her that "by the grace of God we acquire holiness."294

825 "The Church on earth is endowed already with a sanctity that is real though imperfect."295 In her members perfect holiness is something yet to be acquired: "Strengthened by so many and such great means of salvation, all the faithful, whatever their condition or state - though each in his own way - are called by the Lord to that perfection of sanctity by which the Father himself is perfect."296

826 Charity is the soul of the holiness to which all are called: it "governs, shapes, and perfects all the means of sanctification."297

If the Church was a body composed of different members, it couldn't lack the noblest of all; it must have a Heart, and a Heart BURNING WITH LOVE. And I realized that this love alone was the true motive force which enabled the other members of the Church to act; if it ceased to function, the Apostles would forget to preach the gospel, the Martyrs would refuse to shed their blood. LOVE, IN FACT, IS THE VOCATION WHICH INCLUDES ALL OTHERS; IT'S A UNIVERSE OF ITS OWN, COMPRISING ALL TIME AND SPACE - IT'S ETERNAL! 298

827 "Christ, 'holy, innocent, and undefiled,' knew nothing of sin, but came only to expiate the sins of the people. The Church, however, clasping sinners to her bosom, at once holy and always in need of purification, follows constantly the path of penance and renewal."299 All members of the Church, including her ministers, must acknowledge that they are sinners.300 In everyone, the weeds of sin will still be mixed with the good wheat of the Gospel until the end of time.301 Hence the Church gathers sinners already caught up in Christ's salvation but still on the way to holiness:

The Church is therefore holy, though having sinners in her midst, because she herself has no other life but the life of grace. If they live her life, her members are sanctified; if they move away from her life, they fall into sins and disorders that prevent the radiation of her sanctity. This is why she suffers and does penance for those offenses, of which she has the power to free her children through the blood of Christ and the gift of the Holy Spirit.302

828 By canonizing some of the faithful, i.e., by solemnly proclaiming that they practiced heroic virtue and lived in fidelity to God's grace, the Church recognizes the power of the Spirit of holiness within her and sustains the hope of believers by proposing the saints to them as models and intercessors.303 "The saints have always been the source and origin of renewal in the most difficult moments in the Church's history."304 Indeed, "holiness is the hidden source and infallible measure of her apostolic activity and missionary zeal."305

829 "But while in the most Blessed Virgin the Church has already reached that perfection whereby she exists without spot or wrinkle, the faithful still strive to conquer sin and increase in holiness. And so they turn their eyes to Mary":306 in her, the Church is already the "all-holy."

III. THE CHURCH IS CATHOLIC

What does "catholic" mean?

830 The word "catholic" means "universal," in the sense of "according to the totality" or "in keeping with the whole." The Church is catholic in a double sense:

First, the Church is catholic because Christ is present in her. "Where there is Christ Jesus, there is the Catholic Church."307 In her subsists the fullness of Christ's body united with its head; this implies that she receives from him "the fullness of the means of salvation"308 which he has willed: correct and complete confession of faith, full sacramental life, and ordained ministry in apostolic succession. The Church was, in this fundamental sense, catholic on the day of Pentecost309 and will always be so until the day of the Parousia.

831 Secondly, the Church is catholic because she has been sent out by Christ on a mission to the whole of the human race:310

All men are called to belong to the new People of God. This People, therefore, while remaining one and only one, is to be spread throughout the whole world and to all ages in order that the design of God's will may be fulfilled: he made human nature one in the beginning and has decreed that all his children who were scattered should be finally gathered together as one. . . . The character of universality which adorns the People of God is a gift from the Lord himself whereby the Catholic Church ceaselessly and efficaciously seeks for the return of all humanity and all its goods, under Christ the Head in the unity of his Spirit.311

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Each particular Church is “catholic”

832 "The Church of Christ is really present in all legitimately organized local groups of the faithful, which, in so far as they are united to their pastors, are also quite appropriately called Churches in the New Testament. . . . In them the faithful are gathered together through the preaching of the Gospel of Christ, and the mystery of the Lord’s Supper is celebrated. . . . In these communities, though they may often be small and poor, or existing in the diaspora, Christ is present, through whose power and influence the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church is constituted."312

833 The phrase “particular Church,” which is first of all the diocese (or eparchy), refers to a community of the Christian faithful in communion of faith and sacraments with their bishop ordained in apostolic succession.313 These particular Churches "are constituted after the model of the universal Church; it is in these and formed out of them that the one and unique Catholic Church exists."314

834 Particular Churches are fully catholic through their communion with one of them, the Church of Rome "which presides in charity."315 "For with this church, by reason of its pre-eminence, the whole Church, that is the faithful everywhere, must necessarily be in accord."316 Indeed, "from the incarnate Word’s descent to us, all Christian churches everywhere have held and hold the great Church that is here [at Rome] to be their only basis and foundation since, according to the Savior’s promise, the gates of hell have never prevailed against her."317

835 "Let us be very careful not to conceive of the universal Church as the simple sum, or . . . the more or less anomalous federation of essentially different particular churches. In the mind of the Lord the Church is universal by vocation and mission, but when she put down her roots in a variety of cultural, social, and human terrains, she takes on different external expressions and appearances in each part of the world."318 The rich variety of ecclesiastical disciplines, liturgical rites, and theological and spiritual heritages proper to the local churches "unified in a common effort, shows all the more resplendently the catholicity of the undivided Church."319

Who belongs to the Catholic Church?

836 "All men are called to this catholic unity of the People of God. . . . And to it, in different ways, belong or are ordered: the Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ, and finally all mankind, called by God’s grace to salvation."320

837 "Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are those who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept all the means of salvation given to the Church together with her entire organization, and who - by the bonds constituted by the profession of faith, the sacraments, ecclesiastical government, and communion - are joined in the visible structure of the Church of Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. Even though incorporated into the Church, one who does not however persevere in charity is not saved. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but ‘in body’ not ‘in heart.’"321

838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."323 With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist."324

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#18

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The Church and non-Christians

839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."325

The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ",328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329

840 And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330

842 The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:

All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .331

843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."332

844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:

Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.333

845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.334

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."3


#19

[quote="PassingThru, post:12, topic:231373"]
Now, with that out of the way, I have to say some of you are truly shameful with your rah-rah for your own "team".

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The concept of "teams" is distinctly protestant and does not represent the Catholic view at all. We who chose the Catholic Church from all other walks of life, clearly believe that the truth is eternal and unchanging. We cannot, in any form of conscience, indulge or entertain any modification to God's revealed truth. As such, we defend the truth vociferously, rather than compromise on it.

We are not a "team" nor are we in any form of competition, as many non-Catholic denominations are. We are on a life-long search for the truth, no matter how unpalatable it may seem to us at first.


#20

[quote="joanofarc2008, post:7, topic:231373"]
Were you married in the Church?

If so was she told that part of your obligation as a Catholic was to raise your children Catholic?

Does she understand that she agreed to this before God?

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Neither the OP or his wife is Catholic, the OP is condering becoming Catholic in the future, therefore I doubt they where married in the Catholic chruch. Also the Catholic party is not obligated to raise the children Catholic, they promise to do everything in their power to raise the children Catholic.


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