Gay adoption - a worrying development here in the UK

This article raises some worrying concerns, not least the fact that when you read it the authorities are behaving with a certain agenda in mind. The reason the grandparents are been seen as unfit to deal with a child is based around their supposed ill-health. However, when you read the article you see that they still have 4 children of their own living at home so that accusation loses ground.

I find this to be a dubious case of social engineering at best.

NuLabour has been engaged in social engineering ever since Toenail Bliar was voted in :frowning: - what are “league tables” & “targets” for, if not for social engineering ? El Gordo’s not going to change anything - except to give us more of the same. (Actually, impose more of the same on us - especially once we have to use ID cards :mad:.)

Homophobia masked as concern. If the couple adopting those children has been heterosexual, none of this would have surfaced as a sensationalist piece of news.

While I might surprise you by agreeing an element of homophobia is present in some views that have been expressed here on the issue the more worrying point is that the children themselves have said they prefer to be with their grandparents. Also, the argument used by social services about said grandparents been to ill to look after children falls flat on it’s face as they have 4 of their own children still living with them and 2 of those still attend school. Also, as a Catholic I of course do not see a homosexual couple as been the proper place for young children to be raised - for me a family ideally consists of a mother and father. Where, through death (as in my own family) only a single parent remains that’s different but children are not objects for social engineering policies to be worked out with.

The article indicated there were other heterosexual couples willing to adopt if the grandparents couldn’t raise them. Why should the gay couple get preferential treatment?

Out from Under: The Impact of Homosexual Parenting
Here is an extract from Dawn’s web site. Dawn Stefanowicz

My name is Dawn Stefanowicz, I grew up in a homosexual household during the 60s and 70s in Toronto, exposed to many different people in the GLBT (Gay, Lesbian, bisexual, Transsexual) subcultures, and explicit sexual practices.

I have considered some of the potential physical and psychological health risks for children raised in this situation. I was at high risk of exposure to contagious STDs due to sexual molestation, my father’s high-risk sexual behaviors, and multiple partners. Even when my father was in what looked like monogamous relationships, he continued cruising for anonymous sex.

I came to deeply care for, love and compassionately understand my dad. He shared his life regrets with me. Unfortunately, my father, as a child, was sexually and physically abused by older males. Due to this, he lived with depression, control issues, anger outbursts, suicidal tendencies, and sexual compulsions. He tried to fulfill his legitimate needs for his father’s affirmation, affection and attention with transient and promiscuous relationships. He and his partners were exposed to various contagious STD’s as they traveled across North America. My father’s (ex)partners, whom I had deep caring feelings for and associated with, had drastically shortened lives due to suicide, contracting HIV or Aids. Sadly, my father died of AIDS in 1991.

According to a growing number of personal testimonies, experts, and organizations, there is mounting evidence of strong commonalities to my personal experiences. Not only do children do best with both a mother and a father in a lifelong marriage bond, children need responsible monogamous parents who have no extramarital sexual partners. Parental promiscuity, abuse and divorce are not good for children.

From a young age, I was exposed to explicit sexual speech, self-indulgent lifestyles, varied GLBT subcultures and gay vacation spots. Sex looked gratuitous to me as a child. I was exposed to all inclusive manifestations of sexuality including bathhouse sex, cross-dressing, sodomy, pornography, gay nudity, lesbianism, bisexuality, minor recruitment, voyeurism and exhbitionism. Sado-masochism was allued to and aspects demonstrated. Alcohol and drugs were often contributing factors to lower inhibitions in my father’s relationships.

My father prized unisex dressing, gender-neutral aspects and a famous cross-dressing icon when I was eight years old. I did not see the value of biological complementing differences of male and female or think about marriage. I made vows to never have children since I had not gorwn up in a safe, sacrificial, child-centered home environment. I can tell you that I suffered long term in this situation, and this has been professionally documented.

Over two decades of direct exposure to these stressful experiences caused me insecurity, depression, suicidal thoughts, dread, anxiousness, low self-esteem, sleeplessness and sexuality confusion. My conscience and innocence were seriously damaged. I witnessed that every other family member suffered severely as well.

Marriage needs to remain a societal foundation that constitutes, represents, and defends inherently procreative relationship between the husband and the wife for the welfare of their biological children. Children need consistent appropriate boundaries and secure expressions of emotional intimacy that are not sexualized in the home and community.

Why is such a small, unrepresentative clique within the GLBT subcultures wanting same-sex marriage? Mr. John McKellar, Executive Director of H.O.P.E. (Homosexuals Opposed to Pride Extremism) has stated, and I quote:

“It is selfish and rude for the gay community to push same-sex marriage legislation and redefine society’s traditions and conventions for our own self-indulgence… Federal and provincial laws are being changed and the traditional values are being compromised just to appease a tiny, self anointed clique.”

In my opnion, same-sex marriage will put the human rights of the individual in a higher place than what is best for society, families and especially children. Human rights were meant to protect the individual and not groups. In this crucial debate, children’s human rights have become secondary, ignored and denied.

Already this is happening under the banner of anti-bullying, safe schools’ policies and through Gay-Straight Alliances. In reality, these policies provide a direct legal entranceway of indoctrination, desensitization, personal and political recruitment of our vulnerable children by some gay activists within our schools while silencing all students who oppose the gay agenda.

Dawn’s book, “Out from Under: The Impact of Homosexual Parenting.” is now available for book orders at Annotation Books or by calling 1-877-421-READ (7323) Toll-Free or calling 1-360-802-9758 if outside of the U.S.

I am sorry that Dawn was raised in an abusive home, but I don’t see what that has to do with this topic.

She is the voice of the poor children in these circumstances, being placed into the home of a gay couple. She is only speaking out now that her homosexual father has passed away due to AIDS. She wrote that, “according to a growing number of testimonies, experts, and organizations, there is mounting evidence of strong commonalities to my personal experiences. Not only do children do best with both a mother and a father in a lifelong marriage bond, children need responsible monogamous parents with no extramarital sexual partners. Parental promiscuity, abuse, and divorce are not good for children.”

As of now, promiscuity is a major part of the lifestyle of men who have sex with men. In fact, in Latin America and Africa, HIV/AIDS has its deepest roots in the community of sex workers and men who have sex with men.

From this article:

High levels of promiscuity. Lesbians are about 4.5 times more likely to have more than 50 male sex partners than female heterosexuals. 60% of gay men have sex with someone outside their partner in the first year of a relationship. 90% do so by the fifth year of a relationship. Only 9% of homosexual relationships last longer than 16 years. 15% of homosexual men claim to have between 500 and 999% partners. 28% of homosexual men claim to have had more than 1000 partners.

60% of homosexual men engage in anal sex, frequently without condom and even, if they know that they are HIV positive. Many diseases are associated with anal intercourse that are rare or unknown among heterosexuals such as: anal cancer, Chlamydia trachomatis, Cryptosporidium, Giardia lamblia, Herpes simplex virus, HIV, Human papiloma virus, Isopora belli, Microsporidia, Gonorrhorea, Syphilis, Hepatitis B and C and others.

Young homosexual men aged 15-22 who ever had anal sex had a fivefold increased risk of contracting HIV than those who never engaged in anal sex.

The term “barebacking” refers to intential unsafe anal sex. In a study of HIV-positive gay men, the majority of participants (84%) reported engaging in barebacking the past three months and 43% of these men reported bareback sex with a partner who most likely is not infected with HIV.

Condoms (even 100% of the time) fail to give adequate protection against many non-HIV STDs such as Syphilis, Gonorrhoea, Chlamydia, Herpes, Genital Warts and others.

Over 70% of all AIDS diagnoses in Canada in adults over the age of 15 up to June 2004 are to homosexual men.

At the age of 21, homosexuals/bisexuals were at fourfold increased risks of major depression and conduct disorder, fivefold increased risk of nicotine dependence, twofold increased risk of other substance misuse or addiction and six times more likely to have attempted suicide.

Even in communities such as the Netherlands that have legalized gay-marriage and have less homophobia, the rates of major depression, bipolar disorder, agoraphobia, obsessive compulsive disorder and drug addiction are much higher.

No, she isn’t. Her experience doesn’t apply to a gay or lesbian couple which has been vetted by the adoption agency. Nor do your statistics apply to such a couple.

So therefore feel free to play at social engineering even when as in this case the children already have a home and totally ignore their wishes as to what kind of people should adopt them. Since the social services here deem the grandparents too old and ill to have children they’d best take away the two younger children they have at home who are still of school age to be consistent with their own rulings.

Why not? What vetting are you talking about? And why do these statistics not apply to such a couple?

Thank you for your time and consideration in reading my responses. I apologize in advance for an accidental/unintentional rudeness on my part. :frowning:

I don’t know what the situation is in this adoption. It seems odd to me that the grandparents would be turned down, and wrong, too. But then we don’t have all the facts, just those which appeared in the newspaper.

An adoption agency throughly checks out any potential adoptive couple. If this couple were unstable or wild they would be rejected.

Thank you for your time and consideration in reading my responses. I apologize in advance for an accidental/unintentional rudeness on my part.

I am sorry, but I don’t understand what you mean. I think we have had a friendly discussion, which isn’t always easy on emotional topics. You’re doing fine. :slight_smile:

grandparents have no automatic right of adoption under British law. Similar situations to this have arisen before, admitedly we don’t know all the facts but the situation raises worrying possibilities - the fact the grandparents are devout Christians apparently also raises other questions.

I do not know that this is necessarily true. Many children have been adopted into homes where they have been abused. This is true for foster-care homes as well.

Furthermore, any children growing up in a homosexual home may come to believe that homosexuality is normal, instead of a a disordered condition. It may be that the above child of a homosexual father’s experience is likely to be more a norm than an exception given the above statistics on promiscuity and infidelity in the relationships of men who have sex with men.

In Latin America and Africa, the predominant spreaders of HIV/AIDS are men who have sex with men, sex workers, people living with HIV.

(I also suspect that injecting drug users are statistically included in this population but I will have to check on that :eek: )

Not an expert on the subject but in my very limited experience I’ve
run into situations like this before.
Once you stray outside the normal, procreative relationships that are stabilized by marriage things can get weird and dangerous.
I feel compassion for those who experience same-sex attraction but the expression of that still remains disordered.And the outcome can be tragic.

Your link isn’t about Africa, its only about Latin America. And your source states that heterosexual transmission is the main source of AIDS in that region.

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