Gay Fanfiction

I’m just wondering what people think of gay romance fanfiction? Is it really art? I’ve been having discussions with people saying there is no good or bad art, it is just a matter of one’s own perspective. Is this really true? What about gay fanfiction which glorifies homosexuality?

Why do you mention porn or homosexuality on almost every thread you post? I find it curious…:shrug:

[quote="Catholic90, post:2, topic:253384"]
Why do you mention porn or homosexuality on almost every thread you post? I find it curious.....:shrug:

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Probably because I used to have an addiction to porn, because my friends were talking about it and I got curious. I never got into gay porn, but I use it as an example to demonstrate the point that not everything that someone calls art is any good for anyone.

[quote="joshrp, post:1, topic:253384"]
I'm just wondering what people think of gay romance fanfiction? Is it really art? *I've been having discussions with people saying there is no good or bad art, it is just a matter of one's own perspective. * Is this really true? What about gay fanfiction which glorifies homosexuality?

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The one in bold is the sin of relativism. Always remember that in Catholicism, there is a black and white to good and evil, never grey.

[quote="auderyja, post:4, topic:253384"]
The one in bold is the sin of relativism. Always remember that in Catholicism, there is a black and white to good and evil, never grey.

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Yea, I know, but even a lot of Catholics say that morality doesn't apply to art. It's just whatever someone likes.

[quote="joshrp, post:5, topic:253384"]
Yea, I know, but even a lot of Catholics say that morality doesn't apply to art. It's just whatever someone likes.

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Indeed because art isn't meant to educate your moral compass.

With that said, homosexual fiction has a lot of potential for expressing ideas that while we may not agree with morally, would give us a different perspective.

I myself have been pondering on a plot that tries to realistically explore the theme of lesbianism.

[quote="joshrp, post:5, topic:253384"]
Yea, I know, but even a lot of Catholics say that morality doesn't apply to art. It's just whatever someone likes.

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I will not repeat myself.

But morals apply in every field.

Blessings!

:)

As a former veteran of fanfiction.net, I find this a very interesting question. Usually, when judging a fanfiction as an artistic piece (particularly when the content involved homosexuality), I would use a few criteria to evaluate the work:

1- Is the piece just an expression of 'wish fulfillment' by the author?
Warning signs: Pairing of two characters who were obviously straight in canon, 'bishonen' (or effeminate) male character pairing, involved the game 'Kingdom Hearts'
Apparently, lots of young women just enjoy the idea of two attractive characters engaging in sexual relations. Even if the writing is good and the plot superb, if the author's intent is to show an illicit encounter they could only wish appeared in canon, the story is essentially a pornographic sexual fantasy.

  1. Could an equally good story be told if the characters were straight? Warning signs: Story is just a domestic romance,romance provides a backdrop for action/drama, is filed as a 'romance' story If the story could just as easily be told if the main character was straight rather than homosexual, I would consider the content illicit. Why read (or write) something which promotes an immoral value system when an equally good story could be told in an orthodox way?

Obviously, if the characters must for some reason be homosexual (I.E., a story is outlining a closeted homosexual's struggle to repress his sexual inclination) then it might be a work of artistic merit.

In general, the consumption of any art is essentially a 'yes'-vote for the content. When evaluating a work, we should always ask if the artistic merit compensates for the immoral content (for example, a double murder is committed in 'Crime and Punishment' , but it is obviously still a worthy read). In many cases, I've found that most fanfiction is simply not good enough to stand alone as an artistic work, and the majority of readers enjoy the stories not because they are good but because they resonate with their own desires for a series' outcome.

[quote="CarbonCrux, post:9, topic:253384"]
Obviously, if the characters must for some reason be homosexual (I.E., a story is outlining a closeted homosexual's struggle to repress his sexual inclination) then it might be a work of artistic merit.

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You've actually described my position on the whole thing. I once started a thread about making a yuri fic (not a fanfic mind you) yet sadly, everyone had your typical knee-jerk reaction. The reason why I called it yuri was purely on a technical default that it was centered around two lesbian characters. There really is good potential in trying to explore the struggles, as well as views on both sides, within the light of fiction (and in my case, even fantasy fiction).

[quote="CarbonCrux, post:9, topic:253384"]
In general, the consumption of any art is essentially a 'yes'-vote for the content. When evaluating a work, we should always ask if the artistic merit compensates for the immoral content (for example, a double murder is committed in 'Crime and Punishment' , but it is obviously still a worthy read).

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Much agreed. However, I find the relativistic nature of measuring artistic merit that really leads me to gravely doubt any absolutes when evaluating art. :shrug:

[quote="Lost_Wanderer, post:10, topic:253384"]
You've actually described my position on the whole thing. I once started a thread about making a yuri fic (not a fanfic mind you) yet sadly, everyone had your typical knee-jerk reaction. The reason why I called it yuri was purely on a technical default that it was centered around two lesbian characters. There really is good potential in trying to explore the struggles, as well as views on both sides, within the light of fiction (and in my case, even fantasy fiction).

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Yuri (and yaoi) only mean porn. When it's not porn it's shojo- or shonen-ai, or (ironically in Japan the English is used) Girls' Love or Boys' Love. Incidentally all four of those categories imply the target audience is the opposite sex from the one it's about; I don't think there is one with a lesbian target audience but the one for gay men is called Bara (like yuri, it's a symbolic flower, roses to yuri's lilies).

[quote="Hastrman, post:11, topic:253384"]
Yuri (and yaoi) only mean porn. When it's not porn it's shojo- or shonen-ai, or (ironically in Japan the English is used) Girls' Love or Boys' Love. Incidentally all four of those categories imply the target audience is the opposite sex from the one it's about;

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Yeah I get that but the terms are just so often used loosely and interchangeably that I've become one of those types who wonders how much value there really is in distinguishing them.

I mean seriously, even when I type 'shoujo ai' in any search box, I still end up seeing pornogrpahic yuri. There's also the fact where I've seen the distinction between shoujo-ai and yuri become blurred.

[quote="Hastrman, post:11, topic:253384"]
Yuri (and yaoi) only mean porn. When it's not porn it's shojo- or shonen-ai, or (ironically in Japan the English is used) Girls' Love or Boys' Love. Incidentally all four of those categories imply the target audience is the opposite sex from the one it's about;

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Yeah I get that but the terms are just so often used loosely and interchangeably that I've become one of those types who wonders how much value there really is in distinguishing them.

I mean seriously, even when I type 'shoujo ai' in any search box, I still end up seeing pornogrpahic yuri (though granted, is not as numerous as when I type the word 'yuri' itself). There's also the fact where I've seen the distinction between shoujo-ai and yuri become blurred.

Maybe in English, but the distinction between BL and yaoi in Japan is iron-clad (not sure about yuri and GL, but I think so)—legit manga magazines will pretty much only carry the former, the latter is almost exclusive to dojinshi.

And who cares what the terms are in English? Anyone who willingly calls himself an otaku, like fans do in English, has questionable judgment at best.

[quote="Hastrman, post:14, topic:253384"]
Maybe in English, but the distinction between BL and yaoi in Japan is iron-clad (not sure about yuri and GL, but I think so)—legit magazines will pretty much only carry the former, the latter is almost exclusive to dojinshi.

And who cares what the terms are in English? Anyone who willingly calls himself an otaku, like fans do in English, has questionable judgment at best.

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I guess it really is more of a matter of context (and I say this for all terms you mentioned, otaku included).

Then again, one thing I learned from my linguistics class is that words are only strongly tied to their meaning as society and context (among other things of course) want them to be. (Although, I'm not saying such things are not very strong in their enforcement mind you.)

I just personally wish people simply understand what I mean when I want a short way of saying (and to put this thread back on topic) "I want to write a story exploring complex lesbian themes whilst giving it a fantasy anime-esque feel." >_<;;

[quote="joshrp, post:1, topic:253384"]
I'm just wondering what people think of gay romance fanfiction? Is it really art? I've been having discussions with people saying there is no good or bad art, it is just a matter of one's own perspective. Is this really true? What about gay fanfiction which glorifies homosexuality?

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This is a loaded question. What kind of a discussion are you hoping to begin with this?

I am an Artist, thats what i do for a living and I can tell you that YES there is BAD/EVIL art out there, repulsive art, things that evil uses to manipulate or put ideas into people's heads.
and gay fiction happens to be one of'em, so is putting a crucifix upside down in urine and calling it art, is the same thing....filth :thumbsup:

Ugh fanfiction. I kinda went ‘Nope’ after finding a gay fanfiction about Alien and Predator :rolleyes:. Most of it is smut, people playing out there sexual ‘what if’ scenarios of other peoples characters. Im pretty sure J.K. Rowling would be shocked to find how many fan fics involve Harry and Malfoy :confused:

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