Well channel 5 mentioned 2015, Church of England and the queen…
Which is technically listening to not reading…
I knew that when they first started talking about it they said that religious bodies couldn’t be forced but the queen is the head of the church of England and has OKd it, plus there are lots if articles stating that the church isn’t necessarily going to fight against it, plus channel 5 definitely just mentioned it.
They have talked about this kind of thing before and BXVI issued that cry, and a special way to do it I believe. Someone help me out here, but I think an Anglican /Episcopal Church can convert through some sort of Papal dispensation or decree to Catholicism all in one fell swoop. There is fine print involved in this but as long as most of the clergy and most of the parish is on board, then it will happen for that particular Church.
This upset the Archbishop of Canterbury quite a bit. Here is one source. I did not read the whole thing, I have a horrible cold, but here it is:
[PS: I think the tone of the article is a bit disrespectful, fyi.]
[PPS: This is just one article of many]
What continues to worry me is that they are destroying other Christian churches and their own faithful in the process. I am not sure that there will be a surge of converts to Catholicism as my experience generally is that there has been little change in the anti-Catholic teachings since Henry 8th. This leaves a lot of people in a sad spiritual crises and whilst some other churches may benefit, they tend to be insular groups without a voice and of no interest to the media. The real beneficiaries will be the Muslims who will use it to lure people away from Jesus Christ and the teachings of the Bible. It is a very sad time for all Christians throughout the world.
Reference the article about Anglican communities joining the Catholic Church, it has happened and they maintain a distinct religious identity and spiritual heritage within the Catholic Church (whether they want to or not) and are known as the ordinariate. I understand that it is a slow and gentle process. I could see this being very difficult for Anglicans whose way of life has been validated by the Church of England but not by the Catholic or other Christian churches.
As others have pointed out - this thread is simply wrong. The Church of England is forbidden from conducting gay marriage.
"because the Church of England and Wales have explicitly stated that they do not wish to conduct same-sex marriages the legislation makes it illegal for the Churches of England and Wales to marry same-sex couples. This provision recognises and protects the unique and Established nature of these churches. The church’s canon law will also continue to ban the marriage of same-sex couples. Therefore, even if these institutions wanted to conduct same sex marriage, it would require a change to primary legislation at a later date and a change to canon law. Additional protection that cannot be breached.
The Canons of the Church of England define marriage, in accordance with Christ’s teaching and the doctrine of the Church, as being between a man and a woman. Because the Canon Law of the Church of England is also part of the public law of the land and cannot be in conflict with statute law, it is important that any legislation for same-sex marriage makes it clear that it does not apply to marriage according to the rites of the Church of England."*
The only religions that have said they wish to “opt in” are the unitarians, and liberal jewish faiths.
Apart from the fact that Channel 5 is never worth watching… You obviously weren’t paying attention. They are forbidden from conducting gay weddings, the discussion is about whether they should be in a position to give same-sex blessings which are also forbidden by Canon Law in the CofE at present.
The problem, as previously stated, is that the Church of England is The State. HM Elizabeth II is Defender of the Faith. And since The State has said that marriage is a covenant between two adults, who are not related, gender is irrelevant, then it must follow logically that The State as The Church must follow. You all know and I know that the homosexualist activists will press the issue for The Church of The State to conduct marriages in accordance with The Laws of The State.
If churches wish to perform them they have to opt-in but the CofE does not have that choice. The current discussion is about whether or not blessings should take place, not weddings.
The Queen is not head of the Church of England - she is the supreme govenor, but this is irrelevant as she has to give royal assent as monarch to legislation enacted in parliament, and the legislation which allows same sex weddings - in the same way that it already exisits in the Catholic countries of Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium, Argentina, some provinces in Mexico, and some states in the US! - cannot force a church to perform them.
The Londoners here seem to like to shoot the messenger…
It will be interesting to see how long this supposed ban stays in place, bans can be lifted…not long ago gays weren’t allowed to get married, then it went to civil partnership and now to civil marriage…it will only be a matter of time before the church is ale to hold gay marriages the same way they now have women vicars, allow divorcees to marry etc (all this while normal now, once upon a time was different)