Gay Parents

So the other day at school a question was brought up that interested me, What do the children of a homosexual “marriage” call their parents? For instance, suppose a child is adopted by two gay men, is one Daddy #1 and the other Daddy #2? I am quite curious about other people’s response to this. To me I think it also highlights the whole confusion of the situation.

[quote=Tanais]So the other day at school a question was brought up that interested me, What do the children of a homosexual “marriage” call their parents? For instance, suppose a child is adopted by two gay men, is one Daddy #1 and the other Daddy #2? I am quite curious about other people’s response to this. To me I think it also highlights the whole confusion of the situation.
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I know heterosexual copules where the kids say “dad” and “mum”, i know others where they say “father” and “mother” and i know others where they say “John” and “Kerry”.
I suppose it will be similar with homosexual couples.

None of my nephews and nieces calls me “uncle” nor do they call my partner “uncle”, they just call us by our first names, as they do with the other uncles and aunts.

But when my sister’s kids talked with their friends recently about their uncles and aunts they counted me and my partner as two of their uncles (my sister by chance heard the conversation), and they don’t even know the word homosexuality, they are too young.

They just saw that we belong together, just like my brother and his wife belong together and just like my sister in law and her husband belong together, for them it is something completely natural.

This will change a bit of course as soon as they meet classmates who have been indoctrinated by fanatics to tell them that their uncles are bad people and abominators.

I 'm quite sure though they will tell them to shut up with their nonsense.

Werner

who have been indoctrinated by fanatics to tell them that their uncles are bad people and abominators.

Such tolerance Werner…“fanatics”.

who have been indoctrinated by fanatics to tell them that their uncles are bad people and abominators.

Such tolerance Werner…“fanatics”. I suppose it would be better if they were indoctrinated to embrace gay relationships are normal and natural. The indoctrination MUST ,also, include the scathing and loathing towards anyone who has the nerve to question gay relationships.

preaching the truth revealed by God is not indoctrination it is catechesis and the vocation of all those charged with responsibility for instructing children, including and especially their parents. A child should have no knowledge of any private aspect of the relationships of any adult encountered in their sphere. From their point of view if uncle Tom lives in the same house with Bob, they don’t require any further information about those two people, other than Tom is mom’s brother and Bob lives in the same house with him. When the time comes to instruct children in God’s natural law and His purpose for creating men and women and giving them the gifts of sex and marriage, the responsibility of the parents is to teach the truth not to teach political correctness.

Is this another post attempting to legitimize,
or at least whitewash, homosexual marriage :frowning:


Read what the Pope says :


cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02/23/pope.book.reut/index.html

preaching the truth revealed by God is not indoctrination it is catechesis

To some gay rights activists, they call the catechesis a “hate speech”. I bet you can tell what that is an attempt at…

[quote=puzzleannie]preaching the truth revealed by God is not indoctrination it is catechesis and the vocation of all those charged with responsibility for instructing children, including and especially their parents. A child should have no knowledge of any private aspect of the relationships of any adult encountered in their sphere. From their point of view if uncle Tom lives in the same house with Bob, they don’t require any further information about those two people, other than Tom is mom’s brother and Bob lives in the same house with him. When the time comes to instruct children in God’s natural law and His purpose for creating men and women and giving them the gifts of sex and marriage, the responsibility of the parents is to teach the truth not to teach political correctness.
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I agree, I am in no way saying that I hate people who are gay. My best friend has admitted to me that he is and I would never judge him. It is not something that I would ever judge a person for we are all entitled to our own opinions on things, but when it comes time to teach my daughter about our faith I will not tell her it isnt a sin to be gay as to not upset my friend he is a catholic and knows that the catholic church thinks it is morally wrong that is why he chooses to stay single and not to practice his homosexuality.

Another words I wouldnt say that just because other children are catholic and learn that homosexuality is morally wrong means that their parent taught them to hate people that are because I would never teach my child to hate anyone.

JMO, Kerri

[quote=km112482]Another words I wouldnt say that just because other children are catholic and learn that homosexuality is morally wrong means that their parent taught them to hate people that are because I would never teach my child to hate anyone.

JMO, Kerri
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Exactly, you bring it to the point.
There are kids of divorced and remarried people as well, and catholic people teach their kids that it is morally wrong to divorce and remarry.

In the same way catholic people can teach their kids that they find homosexuality morally wrong, there is no need to not teach them that.

So why did everybody here after my first post in this thread take as granted that i was talking about Catholic parents?

If your kids wouldn’t pick on my nephews just because they have two homosexual uncles i wasn’t talking about you at all.

Werner

Homosexuality IS wrong. Its NOT hate-speech and shouldnt BE politically correct. It, as an abomination, IS a FACT and its in the Bible. I find it appalling and highly depressing that people will teach their children to accept it. Feel sorry for those who are gay yes, and not because it is a ‘genetical defect or disease’ but because it is their own personal choice to be so filthy and set themselves so far from God’s saving grace and mercy. Teach your children to let them know its wrong and you dont approve… and neither does the LORD.Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: because it is an abomination.abomination

Lev 20:13 If any one lie with a man as with a woman, both have committed an abomination: let them be put to death. Their blood be upon them.

If i get banned for this thats fine. At least someone has read it and knows the truth!

In the same way catholic people can teach their kids that they find homosexuality morally wrong, there is no need to not teach them that.

So why did everybody here after my first post in this thread take as granted that i was talking about Catholic parents?

Yes, we teach our children that homosexual acts are morraly wrong. Parents are the primary educators of thier children, it is the teaching of the Church that homosexual acts are sinful. We teach our kids what the Church teaches.

Interesting things happen when kids go to a Catholic school. My son had two kids in his class. Their parents lived together (not married). Did the school dodge the issue of living together out of wedlock? NO. The kids learned it was wrong. The parents decided to live apart until they got married. Never underestimate the power of the Holy Spirit.

As for assuming you were talking about Catholics, this is CATHOLIC Answers and that is our first assuption (at least mine) unless you tell us otherwise. :slight_smile:

[quote=Werner]Exactly, you bring it to the point.
There are kids of divorced and remarried people as well, and catholic people teach their kids that it is morally wrong to divorce and remarry.

In the same way catholic people can teach their kids that they find homosexuality morally wrong, there is no need to not teach them that.

So why did everybody here after my first post in this thread take as granted that i was talking about Catholic parents?

If your kids wouldn’t pick on my nephews just because they have two homosexual uncles i wasn’t talking about you at all.

Werner
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Oh I did not assume that you were talking about Catholic parents only. Some people outside our faith may believe it is morally wrong also. I am catholic so I am just saying as far as I am concerned and if other catholics follow their faith as they should then they think it is morally wrong too so in a way you are pertaining to us.

Kerri

I apologize if this thread has gotten out of hand. I really wanted to know, how would the two daddies or two mommies be addressed by their adopted children. It seems however only one has tried to answer my question, so thank you werner.

[quote=Tanais]I apologize if this thread has gotten out of hand. I really wanted to know, how would the two daddies or two mommies be addressed by their adopted children. It seems however only one has tried to answer my question, so thank you werner.
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Sorry I hope I did not say something to offend anyone I was just stateing my view on it.

I cant answer the question of what they would call them cause I have never experienced it. So I am once again sorry if I offended you or anyone.

Kerri

[quote=Lost Child]Homosexuality IS wrong. Its NOT hate-speech and shouldnt BE politically correct. It, as an abomination, IS a FACT and its in the Bible. I find it appalling and highly depressing that people will teach their children to accept it. Feel sorry for those who are gay yes, and not because it is a ‘genetical defect or disease’ but because it is their own personal choice to be so filthy and set themselves so far from God’s saving grace and mercy. Teach your children to let them know its wrong and you dont approve… and neither does the LORD.Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: because it is an abomination.abomination

Lev 20:13 If any one lie with a man as with a woman, both have committed an abomination: let them be put to death. Their blood be upon them.

If i get banned for this thats fine. At least someone has read it and knows the truth!

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Hey lost child, why that zeal?
Let me tell you a story.

Germany where i grew up is relatively homogenous i regards of religion, or at least it used to be 35 years ago. So in my first class at primary school everybody was either Catholic or Lutheran, and for the weekly lesson of religious education the Lutherans used to go to another classroom.

In the second year a new kid came into class, and when the weekly religious education lesson started, as usual the Lutherans went out, the new kid stayed in the classroom, but went to the last row, unpacked a book and started to read, he didn’t follow our Catholic lesson.

Of course after the lesson everybody wanted to hear why.
“Oh” he said "i’m a Jehova’s Witness"
We had never heard about that, but he said that was kind of neither Catholic nor Protestant, but something else.

Of course i went to my mother after school and told her about it.
"Is this possible, to be neither Catholic nor Protestant?"
I just couldn’t believe it.

My mother told me, that indeed there are people who aren’t Catholics or Protestants, that there are people who aren’t even Christians and even people who believe nothing at all.

She said, that their believes are wrong, that they don’t know Jesus, that she is sorry for them, but that i have to respect their believes even though i know they are wrong.

So, lost child, nobody should be allowed to force you to approve on something that is against your believes.

But on the other side everybody has a right to have his views respected by you, even when they are contrary to yours.

**So who are you to call other people filthy?
Are you the one to throw the first stone?

**Werner

[quote=Werner]Hey lost child, why that zeal?
Let me tell you a story.

Germany where i grew up is relatively homogenous i regards of religion, or at least it used to be 35 years ago. So in my first class at primary school everybody was either Catholic or Lutheran, and for the weekly lesson of religious education the Lutherans used to go to another classroom.

In the second year a new kid came into class, and when the weekly religious education lesson started, as usual the Lutherans went out, the new kid stayed in the classroom, but went to the last row, unpacked a book and started to read, he didn’t follow our Catholic lesson.

Of course after the lesson everybody wanted to hear why.
“Oh” he said "i’m a Jehova’s Witness"
We had never heard about that, but he said that was kind of neither Catholic nor Protestant, but something else.

Of course i went to my mother after school and told her about it.
"Is this possible, to be neither Catholic nor Protestant?"
I just couldn’t believe it.

My mother told me, that indeed there are people who aren’t Catholics or Protestants, that there are people who aren’t even Christians and even people who believe nothing at all.

She said, that their believes are wrong, that they don’t know Jesus, that she is sorry for them, but that i have to respect their believes even though i know they are wrong.

So, lost child, nobody should be allowed to force you to approve on something that is against your believes.

But on the other side everybody has a right to have his views respected by you, even when they are contrary to yours.

So who are you to call other people filthy?
Are you the one to throw the first stone?

Werner
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I agree. Jesus taught us to love everyone and to treat everyone as we would want to be treated, so even though you may not believe the views of someone else does not mean you have to judge them. Mary Magdalene was a prostitute and God also thought that was morally wrong, but he saved her from being stoned to death. Maybe we should all take example from that.

Once again I do belive homosexuality is morally wrong, but like I said before that is someone else’s decision to think otherwise and I will respect their view as I would hope they would respect mine.

GOD BLESS, KERRI

[quote=km112482]I agree. Jesus taught us to love everyone and to treat everyone as we would want to be treated, so even though you may not believe the views of someone else does not mean you have to judge them. Mary Magdalene was a prostitute and God also thought that was morally wrong, but he saved her from being stoned to death. Maybe we should all take example from that.

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We do not know that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute or that she is the same woman who was taken in adultery and saved from stoning, but aside from that, Jesus told the woman (and the Samaritan woman with 5-6 men in her life) that their sins were forgiven (not that their lifestyle choices were equally valid as His) and to sin no more (not to pursue sexual pleasure in any way, shape or form and try to call it alternative morality). He repeatedly enjoined his followers to obey the commandments, he did not make exceptions for those who disagreed with one or more of them. He was extremely rigid, unbending and politically incorrect about the sanctity of marriage and never acknowledged the possibility that there might by alternatives to his definition of morality.

[quote=km112482]I agree. Jesus taught us to love everyone and to treat everyone as we would want to be treated, so even though you may not believe the views of someone else does not mean you have to judge them. True. But I don’t have to accept their behavior as correct, either. Or teach my children that their behavior is acceptable. It’s not. Mary Magdalene was a prostitute maybe and God also thought that was morally wrong, but he saved her from being stoned to death and then told her to Go and sin no more. (Why do so few remember THAT part of the story?. Maybe we should all take example from that.

Once again I do belive homosexuality is morally wrong, but like I said before that is someone else’s decision to think otherwise and I will respect their view I can “respect” their view, but I in no way have to teach my children that their view is correct as I would hope they would respect mine.

GOD BLESS, KERRI
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Yes, Jesus taught us to love our neighbor as ourselves. However, He also told the sinners that they not only were forgiven, but to Go and Sin No More. “Being” a homosexual (a person with feelings of attraction to a same sex person) may not be wrong, but ACTING on those feelings IS a sin. The Bible says so. Period.

I believe that homosexuals get singled out for their “filthy sins” because theirs are obvious. What isn’t so obvious are my heterosexual sins which include fornication, lying, greed, etc. I can easily slip under the radar because I come across looking very upright and pure - to others that is… but not to God. He looks at me like the sinner I am in need of a Savior just like my homosexual counterparts. Go and sin no more… yes that is what Jesus said. Only, I haven’t been able to pull that off completly, have you???

God Bless.
CM

[quote=Tanais]So the other day at school a question was brought up that interested me, What do the children of a homosexual “marriage” call their parents? For instance, suppose a child is adopted by two gay men, is one Daddy #1 and the other Daddy #2? I am quite curious about other people’s response to this. To me I think it also highlights the whole confusion of the situation.
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Jesus warned he had not come for peace but to sow discord between mother and child, etc…

This passage sends the message that political correctness will be placed aside, and deception will be unhidden.

Our mandate is similar, and as it applies to children it is a disservice and deceptive to lie about a situation they find themselves in, further compounding the situation to the benefit of satan. The situation was agreed to by two individuals who because of that fact live in mortal sin. The child should know this and taught to offer the respect that is owed to adults and to receive the good they can provide, as is normal for our day to day relationship to our mothers in Christ,father,brother and sisters.

They should be taught they are guiltless concerning the relationship, but they should view their caretakers as simply this, and not accorded the distinction that the Church assigns to couples who have God’s sanction. They could be taught to pray for them and to assist them by being obedient to occasions that are not sinful.

The sad thing is that the adults will be found further accountable for their actions beyond the culpability of the sin itself, as child rearing insists the child be provided with nurturing by true mothers and fathers for their inspiration and forming of true character and spirit. This will be sorely lacking in this arrangement, that was really meant to provide for a convenience to satiate deviant sexual practices.

The child should call them by their names. No doubt he will coaxed relentlessly to do otherwise, only one of many sad situations he will find himself in has he tries to do God’s will. It is unfortunate he must fend off these misdirecting lessons, let alone fend off the added burden of satan’s temptations. His chances for coming out of this hell are not good without the added graces he will require from God, assistance by Our Blessed Mother and St. Michael.

Andy

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