I know, i know, another thread about evolution And I’d appreciate it, so as not to get off track, that no anti-evolutionists posts anything in here against evolutiion:D
Alrighty, this is probably going to become heated, but I must ask it cause it bothers me and I can never seem to get a straight answer.
I agree God willed for us to be here, anotherwords He *wanted *us to be His children, He *desired *the earth to exist. But does chance (yes that aweful word) play into His creation at all?
I’ll make it more clear, did God, using His power DIRECTLY, guide and create every single piece of the physical universe, and is still creating as new spiecies continue to evolve and whatever else may be going on out there in space?
If “yes,” then I stand confused. I’m not trying to be rebelious to the Church, not at all. I’m trying to understand.
Here’s the confusion for me, if God has specialy directed every piece of matter and energy, and still does, doesn’t that take away our freedom? And wouldn’t it seem to say that God, well, enjoys killing off species and causing things to suffer? That’s what you get with evolution if told to believe that He guides and creates everything specifically and specially. I’ll give some example that I’ve given before but never really got any answers for:
**EXAMPLE #ONE: **Let’s take the cat, that “plays” with a mouse, torturing it slowly to death, and sometimes never even eats it. Did God plant those instincts in cats?
**EXAMPLE #TWO: **the Ichneumonidae wasps? The mother wasp inserts a paralyzing chemical into the nervous system of a caterpillar and then places her eggs inside the still-living host, where they hatch and then gradually devour the paralyzied caterpillar from the inside. The hatched baby wasps emerge with preprogrammed instincts to consume the internal organs of the caterpillar in a sequence that keeps their caterpillar host aliveas long as possible.
**EXAMPLE #THREE: **Or how about the Hanuman Langur monkeys in Northern India? They have a mating system what biologists call “harem polygyny.” Dominant males have exclusive sexual access to a group of adult females, as long as they can keep other males away. Sooner or later a stronger male usurps the harem and the defeated must join must join the celibate outcasts. The new male shows his “love” for his new wives by trying to kill their unweaned infants. For every successful killing a mother stops lactating and goes into estrous. Deprived of her nursing baby a female soon starts ovulating. Then she accepts the advances of her baby’s "murderer, and he becomes the father of her next child.
**EXAMPLE #FOUR: **All of us evolutionists know about mutations, and how in bateria thousands of them happen all the time, and this is a great–if not THE great wonder in evolution, that after a while the “right” mutation shall occur, be better fit for its surroundings, and outlast the others. Now, is this God’s **personal **act right before our very eyes? When scientists are doing experiments, observing mutations in labratories, hoping evolution will work for the better, is God causing all of those faulty mutations–a number reaching well over a hundred thousand, then decides to direct a more “proper” one to make His creature more fit for the enviorment? Is that God’s work before our very eyes? If so, why all the hundreds of mutations? Why not just ONE? It seems that something else is occuring here, yes that aweful word, “chance.” Perhaps “chance” is God’s tool afterall. Perhaps it’s meant as a purpose of freedom for our sake, and even the universe’s. Instead of having God directly be responsible for killing thousands upon thousands of creatures just to evolve into other ones. Or is death and suffering part of His plan, and I’m not being sarcastic neither
Before I get blown to smitherines by all you, my sisters and brothers, does not ANYTHING I said make ANY sense at all? And please understand this is not a dogmatic belief within me, it’s something at the back of my mind, debating within myself.
Perhaps God brought the universe into existense and created the four fundamental forces essential for life, or even MEANING:, gravitational, electromagnetism, strong nuclear and weak nuclear. Perhaps God then at some point released His will, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, so that His tool “chance” took over, which in a way is still a guide, but leaves creation open to freedom. For how can evolution be entirely random, if certain sophisticated end points are predictible? Evolution is like the path of a water molecule making its way down the side of a mountain–unpredictible on a small scale, but certainly not without a general direction.
I know the word “chance” bothers many Christians, because it seems to remove intentionality from the work of God’s creation. Needless to say, I don’t see it that way at all, and this is one of the themes Kenneth Miller talks about in his new
book called “Only a Theory - Evolution and the Battle for America’s Soul.” In brief, in one of the chapters he addresses this question and suggest that the understand we often have of evolution being entirely “random” isn’t accurate at all. Rather, the evolutionary process is built into the fabric of matter and the fundamental laws of the universe - making the evolution of sentient beings (like us) a natural consequence of the material world. I know this for a fact cause I have recently talked with mr. Miller.
Perhaps God acts in way, intervenes in with us in ways that preverse our own freedom, allowing us to reap the rewards and consequences of our own free will.
So, how much am I going to get beaten up? I’m seriously curious though to what you pro-evolutionists, like Phil Vaz think about this. To a certain extant, it’s a little different than orthodox Church teaching, right?
But if God is in control of EVERYTHING, then that takes away free will and we are nothing but puppets. It’s an unsolvable paradox.