God (holy Spirit) And Human Incarnation


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STATEMENT: - MATHEW 10: 40

Lord Jesus was the human incarnation of the Holy Spirit. The human body of Holy Jesus is like the metallic wire, which was all over, pervaded by the Holy Spirit. Veda says ‘Antarbahischa’ which means that the Holy Spirit pervades all over the body of Human Incarnation. Wherever you touch the wire the electric shock is given. Similarly the entire human body of Holy Jesus is holy. The holiness is the nature of Holy Spirit just like the shock is the property of electricity. As the electricity cannot be separated from the wire, the Holy Spirit cannot be separated from the Holy Jesus. So here the Holy Spirit is the Holy Jesus. Holy Jesus refers this Holy Spirit as His Father. He tells that He was sent by His father as a messenger. Though He and His father are one and the same, He speaks like this for which there is a practical reason i.e.; every human being repels with another human being. A man cannot accept another man as God due to Jealousy and Egoism. Bhagavatgita says, “A man will insult Me when I come here in human form (Avajananti mam….)”. For this purpose Holy Jesus wants Himself to be called only as the messenger of the Holy Spirit by the disciples whenever He is introduced to the public. If He tells the truth the egoistic public will not hear even what He preaches and will reject Him. Therefore He is telling His disciples to introduce Him as a messenger only. Of course, the disciples are really the messengers of Holy Jesus.

Holy Spirit has taken over the human body of Holy Jesus and pervaded all over the body to preach the divine knowledge to this world. The same Holy Spirit is sending the disciples for the propagation of the Divine knowledge. Both the body of Holy Jesus and the disciples are instruments of the Holy Spirit chosen for different purposes. The Holy Spirit is preaching through the body of Holy Jesus and is propagating the divine knowledge through disciples. Therefore if you respect the disciple you are respecting the Holy Spirit indirectly. Though both the instruments exist like this, the Holy Spirit is present in Jesus and is not present in the disciples. Due to this difference the disciple is an indirect instrument and the direct instrument is Holy Jesus. The disciple propagates the divine knowledge after hearing from the Holy Jesus. Therefore when such disciple is respected, Holy Jesus is respected first and then the Holy Spirit. But among the disciples there may be some person who cannot repeat what Holy Jesus exactly preached. In such a case the Holy Spirit will take over the body of that disciple and preaches (Mathew 10: 20). Such a disciple differs from Holy Jesus because the Holy Spirit resides in that disciple for some time only where as the Holy Spirit resides in Jesus all the time.

Holy Jesus is telling that He is the messenger of the Holy Spirit and He is also telling that the disciple is His messenger. He is giving the same status to Himself and the disciple by telling like this. The reason is that some disciple may become jealous in future if He says that He Himself is the Holy Spirit where as the disciple is His messenger only. The difference in the status may bring jealousy. Therefore He is maintaining the equal status so that no devotee becomes jealous of Jesus in the future. Due to jealousy the disciple may slip from Holy Jesus.

When He says that He is only the messenger, this shows the humble and submissiveness of Holy Jesus. He wants His disciples to be humble and submissive to the Holy Spirit through out their lives. For this purpose He sets Himself as an ideal. The Holy Spirit present in the human body of Holy Jesus is the essence of true and infinite knowledge as Veda says “Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma….”. Humbleness and submissiveness are the fruits of the Divine Knowledge. Therefore the humbleness and submissiveness are the qualities of the Holy Spirit itself. This means whatever Holy Jesus speaks is the statement of the Holy Spirit only.


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Dattaswami,

I have read all the way through their post, and the first thing that I can say is, Wow! There is a lot of material there. You seem to be trying to understand the Christian doctrines of the Trinity and the Incarnation from a Hindu perspective, and I wish you well in your search.

If you take the words “the Holy Spirit” in your post and change them to “God,” I think you get some rather accurate statements–by which I mean statements that are in accord with what the Catholic Church teaches about God and Jesus.

The Christian doctrine of the Trinity states that there is one God, but that He has three different Persons. We name these Persons the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Jesus is God the Son. These three Persons are one God–we call this “not dividing the substance”–but are distinct from each other–we call this “not confusing the persons.” Thus while Jesus is completely God, just like the Holy Spirit is completely God, and there is one God and not two or three, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are two different Persons and are not the same. Are you confused as to how this works? I certainly am.

I really like your metaphor of “The human body of Holy Jesus is like the metallic wire, which was all over, pervaded by the Holy Spirit.” There is one incident recorded in the Gospels in which a woman touched Jesus’ clothing in order to be healed and He felt the power go out of Him to heal her.

The Church teaches, however, that the Holy Spirit does indeed live within the individual Christians–the disciples. Certainly there are differences between Jesus and the disciples (Jesus is God, for example, while the disciples are not God), but whether the Holy Spirit is there is not one of those differences.

There is a whole lot more to your post, but this is all that I have energy to reply to at the moment. Stay around, and I hope to have more discussions with you in the future.

  • Liberian

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