[quote="Linusthe2nd, post:3, topic:315068"]
God does care about the temporal.
If he did, suffering would be nonexistent.
[quote="Lochias, post:4, topic:315068"]
God also cares about our physical needs.
Hard to see when he keeps saying "no" to physical needs.
St. Francis of Assisi was living proof of that.
How will he help me? He's already crossed the finish line.
[quote="Glomung, post:5, topic:315068"]
God does care about the temporal also.
Jesus healed the sick, He did not tell them to "enjoy their suffering".
Jesus fed the hungry, He did not tell them "fasting is good for the soul".
Jesus comforted many, He did not say "suffering builds character".
That was when it was his will for them to be healed, fed, comforted, etc.
If it is not his will, then he doesn't care about temporal needs.
[quote="fred_conty, post:6, topic:315068"]
But then he also gave us the corporal works of mercy as well.
And if we do the corporal works, then that too will benefit us spiritually as well.
Yeah, we have to do it. He doesn't. He doesn't care.
So we do the one and not neglect the other and benefit from both.
I don't benefit from giving. It reduces money that's getting increasingly harder to get.
[quote="ellzeena, post:10, topic:315068"]
Extremely confused misunderstanding, in my humble opinion. I have not read anywhere that Jesus said "this is your cross, carry it, with joy or else you are evil!"
Matthew 10:38 along with 1 Peter 4:13 are very clear on this.
[quote="Chantal25, post:11, topic:315068"]
Without question, God provides for our needs,
If it is his will. If it is not, then he doesn't care.
If our soul needs purification
Then God should have created us perfect instead of imperfect needing of purification. Otherwise, he is holding us responsible for Adam and Eve's sin.
[quote="Deo_Volente, post:14, topic:315068"]
2) when Jesus bore his cross, he bore it on our behalf
He did that. For the spiritual things only. The temporal things, nope.
When the Jews were led out of Egypt, He provided everything they needed to survive until they got to the Promised Land. That was the old covenant.
The new covenant, well, God took care of all the spiritual things we need to get to the Promised Land, but the temporal, we have no such promise.