Good link explaining why we as Catholics can't receive communion in other churches


#1

Hi, I'm currently sponsoring someone who asked if we are allowed to take communion in other churches. I told her no, of course, with a brief explanation that other churches don't have a valid eucharist (with the exception of the orthodox who don't want us to receive there), and that most of them don't even believe in the Eucharist anyway. Also that Communion implies complete unity which we do not have with them.

Anyway, I was hoping to send her an easy to read link that explains this a bit more in depth. Any suggestions? I like to use links because they can usually explain better than I can.


#2

This may be what you are looking for...

catholicdoors.com/misc/apologetics/communionprotestant.htm

Here is a thread from the forum where you might find some info....

forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=603781

Also...do a search right on Catholic.com...

catholic.com/


#3

[quote="johnnyc176, post:2, topic:292426"]
This may be what you are looking for...

catholicdoors.com/misc/apologetics/communionprotestant.htm

Here is a thread from the forum where you might find some info....

forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=603781

Also...do a search right on Catholic.com...

catholic.com/

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Hi, thanks for your answer. I have seen the first link and didn't really want to use it because of this line: "Only those who belongs to Rites that are in communion with the Roman Catholic Church can receive communion within the Catholic Church. This excludes the Orthodox and Protestant Churches because they do not hold the Catholic belief that Jesus is truly present in the Holy Eucharist."

This isn't accurate and I want to make sure all resources I share with her are completely accurate.

The other thread was helpful though. Thank you.

If someone has links similar to the catholicdoors one above, but more accurate, feel free to share them! I liked the layout of that link, short, easy to read, etc.


#4

[quote="johnnyc176, post:2, topic:292426"]
This may be what you are looking for...

catholicdoors.com/misc/apologetics/communionprotestant.htm

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This link says that it is illicit for a priest to allow someone of the Eastern Orthodox Church to receive communion from a Catholic Priest. I thought that this was permitted under the reforms of the Second Vatican Council. Can anyone answer?


#5

[quote="Bakmoon, post:4, topic:292426"]
This link says that it is illicit for a priest to allow someone of the Eastern Orthodox Church to receive communion from a Catholic Priest. I thought that this was permitted under the reforms of the Second Vatican Council. Can anyone answer?

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The Orthodox are free to receive in our Catholic Church. But we let it be known that we do not advocate them breaking the rules of their own Church (the Orthodox Church doesn't want her members to receive in the Catholic Church). There are a few pieces of misleading information concerning the Orthodox in that article.


#6

Ecclesia de Eucharistia is a good resource, but might not be in the "easy read" category.


#7

[quote="1ke, post:6, topic:292426"]
Ecclesia de Eucharistia is a good resource, but might not be in the "easy read" category.

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yes, I saw that, but don't think it would be easy to read/understand. thanks though.


#8

[quote="anp1215, post:1, topic:292426"]
Hi, I'm currently sponsoring someone who asked if we are allowed to take communion in other churches. I told her no, of course, with a brief explanation that other churches don't have a valid eucharist (with the exception of the orthodox who don't want us to receive there), and that most of them don't even believe in the Eucharist anyway. Also that Communion implies complete unity which we do not have with them.

Anyway, I was hoping to send her an easy to read link that explains this a bit more in depth. Any suggestions? I like to use links because they can usually explain better than I can.

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I apologize for the bad link.


#9

[quote="anp1215, post:1, topic:292426"]
Hi, I'm currently sponsoring someone who asked if we are allowed to take communion in other churches. I told her no, of course, with a brief explanation that other churches don't have a valid eucharist (with the exception of the orthodox who don't want us to receive there), and that most of them don't even believe in the Eucharist anyway. Also that Communion implies complete unity which we do not have with them.

Anyway, I was hoping to send her an easy to read link that explains this a bit more in depth. Any suggestions? I like to use links because they can usually explain better than I can.

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I apologize for the bad link. In my rush to post I just skimmed over the article. Not a good thing to do in any case but especially in regards to internet sources.

  • [edited].....better get outa here and get to work before I do anymore damage. :banghead:.......:)

#10

[quote="johnnyc176, post:9, topic:292426"]
I apologize for the bad link. In my rush to post I just skimmed over the article. Not a good thing to do in any case but especially in regards to internet sources.

  • [edited].....better get outa here and get to work before I do anymore damage. :banghead:.......:)

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haha it's ok!


#11

Any Sacrament used outside of the Catholic Church, including imitation of a Sacrament, is a sacrilege. This applies both to Protestants, Orthodox, SSPX, sedevacantists, etc. This is because schismatics are using Sacraments, which contain Divine Grace, outside of the one body established by God for this purpose, the Church. So, to receive Communion at any other Church, even an SSPX or Orthodox Church, is a sacrilege because it is partaking in Divine Grace (or imitation of) outside of the body God established for that purpose. The same applies for Baptism, Marriage, Holy Orders, etc.


#12

:thumbsup:

[quote="BertBlyleven, post:11, topic:292426"]
Any Sacrament used outside of the Catholic Church, including imitation of a Sacrament, is a sacrilege. This applies both to Protestants, Orthodox, SSPX, sedevacantists, etc. This is because schismatics are using Sacraments, which contain Divine Grace, outside of the one body established by God for this purpose, the Church. So, to receive Communion at any other Church, even an SSPX or Orthodox Church, is a sacrilege because it is partaking in Divine Grace (or imitation of) outside of the body God established for that purpose. The same applies for Baptism, Marriage, Holy Orders, etc.

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I like your explanation, it's very lay person friendly. Forgive me, I am not doubting you, but where did you get your information? Or are you just educated and can retain that information, unlike me! :) thank you for posting, and enlightening me too.


#13

[quote="BertBlyleven, post:11, topic:292426"]
Any Sacrament used outside of the Catholic Church, including imitation of a Sacrament, is a sacrilege. This applies both to Protestants, Orthodox, SSPX, sedevacantists, etc. This is because schismatics are using Sacraments, which contain Divine Grace, outside of the one body established by God for this purpose, the Church. So, to receive Communion at any other Church, even an SSPX or Orthodox Church, is a sacrilege because it is partaking in Divine Grace (or imitation of) outside of the body God established for that purpose. The same applies for Baptism, Marriage, Holy Orders, etc.

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Whoa! That's not right! If we have no other choice we can receive at an SSPX parish, and we can certainly marry in a Protestant church with a dispensation.


#14

[quote="Phemie, post:13, topic:292426"]
Whoa! That's not right! If we have no other choice we can receive at an SSPX parish, and we can certainly marry in a Protestant church with a dispensation.

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Yeah that statement is not correct. In regards to the OP, I found a very good link that I sent to her.


#15

[quote="Phemie, post:13, topic:292426"]
Whoa! That's not right! If we have no other choice we can receive at an SSPX parish, and we can certainly marry in a Protestant church with a dispensation.

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This is what the Church has always taught, and has been recently ignored. You can marry and you will be married, but that doesn't mean the marriage should have been done in a Protestant Church nor does it mean the ones who married/presided did not commit a sacrilege; however, there would be no guilt (to my knowledge) on part of the marrying couple, but perhaps on the minister and the Church hierarchy.

Regarding the SSPX, Rome has said you can receive Communion in a grave case. However, this does not mean the priest celebrating Mass does not commit a sacrilege by doing so; he might not be, the language has been somewhat vague between them and Rome. From what I've been told, you can fulfill your Sunday obligation but you should not receive Communion from an FSSPX priest. The SSPX can't both be outside the Church and having licit Sacraments, meaning not sacrilegious.

This is from an FSSP priest, but is laid out pretty clearly in the Summa. Where, I cannot remember, it has been years ago and it is far to late to bust it out.


#16

[quote="BertBlyleven, post:11, topic:292426"]
Any Sacrament used outside of the Catholic Church, including imitation of a Sacrament, is a sacrilege. This applies both to Protestants, Orthodox, SSPX, sedevacantists, etc. This is because schismatics are using Sacraments, which contain Divine Grace, outside of the one body established by God for this purpose, the Church. So, to receive Communion at any other Church, even an SSPX or Orthodox Church, is a sacrilege because it is partaking in Divine Grace (or imitation of) outside of the body God established for that purpose. The same applies for Baptism, Marriage, Holy Orders, etc.

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This is not what the Church teaches. And believe me, I would really love to say that those who are not lock-in-step with Rome should have at the very best their Sacraments be doubtful, it not outright invalid. And yes, this includes the SSPX. But that is not what the Church says, therefore we cannot make any claim contrary to the Church's.


#17

[quote="ConstantineTG, post:16, topic:292426"]
This is not what the Church teaches. And believe me, I would really love to say that those who are not lock-in-step with Rome should have at the very best their Sacraments be doubtful, it not outright invalid. And yes, this includes the SSPX. But that is not what the Church says, therefore we cannot make any claim contrary to the Church's.

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OK, now I am thinking we need a Priest or Deacon to hone in here and enlighten us! First of all, What is SSPX ???? And if it is prevalent, I am Roman Catholic, and would like to know from Cannon Law. Is there anyone out there with credentials that can help?


#18

[quote="ConstantineTG, post:16, topic:292426"]
This is not what the Church teaches. And believe me, I would really love to say that those who are not lock-in-step with Rome should have at the very best their Sacraments be doubtful, it not outright invalid. And yes, this includes the SSPX. But that is not what the Church says, therefore we cannot make any claim contrary to the Church's.

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I mentioned nothing about validity. Schismatic Catholics (with a few exceptions) have valid Sacraments, but are still sacrilegious in the sense that they are used outside their intended purview.


#19

[quote="nietz, post:17, topic:292426"]
OK, now I am thinking we need a Priest or Deacon to hone in here and enlighten us! First of all, What is SSPX ???? And if it is prevalent, I am Roman Catholic, and would like to know from Cannon Law. Is there anyone out there with credentials that can help?

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The jury is still out with regard to the Society of St. Pius X, a traditional group which has been unofficially separated from Rome since the 70s and officially since 1988. Clerics with credentials have been arguing about the cannonical place (in terms of law) of the SSPX for years; it is somewhat subjective and depends on the perspective of each person. They are, at the least, externally separated from the Church.


#20

I am not a confirmed Catholic, and a couple of weeks ago I was at an Anglican Christening and the vicar (a woman) invited everyone up for Communion. I hesistated a bit because I knew that Catholics aren't supposed to get communion from elsewhere (and I haven't received communion from my RC church). But I got an urge to do so and so I joined the line. It was weird because five or six people at a time knelt on a bench and each was given a paten, and then wine. And the whole time, everyone else in the church was talking amongst themselves, so it certainly wasn't a reverent occasion! And there wasn't even a cross to be see within the church - it felt more like being in a community hall.

Is my partaking of the Anglican communion something I should admit when I make my first confession? (which I'm not intending to do until I admitted fully at Easter vigil)


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