Guadalupe Image Is Beyond Scientific Explanation

The Catholic News Agency reports that physicist Aldofo Orozco told participants at the International Marian Congress on Our Lady of Guadalupe that there is no scientific explanation for the 478 years of preservation of the tilma on which the image appears.

According to Orozco, all cloths similar to the tilma that have been placed in the salty and humid environment around the basilica have lasted no longer than 10 years. In contrast, Orozco said, “The original Tilma was exposed for approximately 116 years without any kind of protection, receiving all the infrared and ultraviolet radiation from the tens of thousands of candles near it and exposed to the humid and salty air around the temple.”

The fabric, according to Orozco, is made from fibers of the agave plant. The back side of the fabric is rough and coarse, while the front side is as soft as silk.

He also mentioned two of the miracles associated with the tilma.

The first occurred in 1785, when a worker accidentally spilled a 50% nitric acid solvent on the right side of the cloth. “Besides any natural explanation, the acid has not destroyed the fabric of the cloth; indeed it has not even destroyed the colored parts of the image,” Orozco said.

The second miracle was the explosion of a bomb near the tilma in 1921. Orozco recalled that the explosion broke the marble floor and widows 150 meters from the explosion, but “unexpectedly, neither the tilma nor the normal glass that protected the tilma was damaged or broken.” The only damage near it was a brass crucifix that was twisted by the blast.

He continued, “There are no explanations why the shockwave that broke windows 150 meters afar did not destroy the normal glass that protected the image. Some people said that the Son by means of the brass crucifix protected the image of his Mother. The real fact is that we don’t have a natural explanation for this event.”

“Our Lady visited Mexico 478 years ago, but she remains there to give her love, her mercy and her care to anyone who needs it, and to bring her Son, Jesus Christ to everyone who receives him,” said Orozco.

Indeed, according to Kevin Wright, president and founder of the World Religious Travel Association, Guadalupe is the No. 1 religious pilgrimage destination. It draws between 15 to 20 million pilgrims annually.

That is all very nice but who painted it?


rimshot :rotfl:

Already knew about the image having so many things “beyond explanation”, and truly the simplest thing is the fact that it’s still around. I’ve seen the cross that’s bent, there’s even an old picture of the picture intact while the cross is bent and everything else around it is shattered.

Thanks for the post. :smiley:

Liraco, I see you’re in Mexico. Have you ever seen the tilma in person? I have read that even the best photographs do not do it justice.

Hillary? Is that you?

Beat me to it… lol :rotfl:

didn’t hillary clinton ask that same question on her visit to Mexico as the new Secretary of State?

i thought she was smarter than that!

ooops! sorry, guess i should have read the following posts. looks like we all were thinking the same thing! :smiley:

I’ve been there three times but the problem is that the painting is really high up from the “viewing area” (which is why most pictures of it are looking up). Add to that the fact that there’s so many people wanting to see it that they put a horizontal “escalator” to keep people moving and allow others a chance to see it.

I think the only other way to get a closer look in person would be if you walked behind the altar but that’s, of course, off limits.

Here’s a look at the painting a a good look at the bent crucifix too:

A lot of pictures of it are really good but it’s true that there’s nothing like seeing it in person and actually being there. It’s still mind-boggling to see that painting and realizing the material it’s on.

And yet so many people still do not believe…

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