Gun Totting Catholic? Disagree with The Church on Gun Control

So I’m having a hrad time with this. I joined CA after years of just reading posts I dug up on google, I had to come on here and ask about gun control.

I believe iN Christ, I believe He founded our Church for the good of all mankind, and rarely find myself disagreeing with Holy Mother Church, but this has got me going nuts.

Almost 2 years ago I received a call from an unknown person threatening to kill me. The threat was real, it was scary, and I was freaked out. I went out and bought a shotgun for my home. I live in NYS and getting a long gun outside of the city is no problem, getting a handgun, and esp. a handgun for concealed carry is a different story, what’s more I work in NYC and that is not at all easy.

I have always believed in the 2nd amendment, I believe in self defense, but this was the first time I felt I needed a gun.

Now I am a big gun buyer, guns have always fasinated me, they are tools, and in many cases, beautifully crafted machines. What’s more, a gun could one day save my life, and the lives of my family. I pray to God that never has to happen, but if it does, I want to be ready. In researching, I have found that US Bishops favor gun control, even want to one day eliminate guns entirely from our society, that is almost a direct quote. How can Catholic Bishops be this way? I understand the role of the Church as peace maker, and I wish the world were perfect and guns were NOT necessary, but they are. There are evil people out there, and sometimes one guy with a gun is all it takes to stop evil.

How can the Bishop who made the above statement say that the police and military should be the only ones to have guns? Are we not allowed to defend ourselves when the police or military are not an option? Are we not granted by the founding father this basic right in order to prevent tyrants from taking over our nation?

Did Jesus not say;

Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered. He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: `And he was numbered with the transgressors’ ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That is enough,” he replied. (Luke 22:35-38, NIV)

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We are meant to preserve life are we not? Are our own lives not worth preserving? Must we coward and wait for the govt to come and rescue us?

This and the economic lean to the left of the Church in recent times as left me questioning some of our leaders, not Gods instrument on earth, but those who are leading her.

At least one saint used his skill with a handgun to stop the sexual assault of a young woman by a mob. There is a movement to commemorate him as the patron saint of handgunners:

gunsaint.com/stagnaro.asp

I’ve never owned one.

I don’t understand your dilemma. The Church doesn’t forbid guns, and certainly doesn’t forbid protecting one’s self or their loved ones.

I would worry about being paranoid though. And I would make sure you know how to properly use a gun.

I own two guns and also believe in gun control. Gun control does not mean that there are no guns. Responsible and legal ownership is what the laws should encourage. I also believe that there are certain guns that should be banned as far as private ownership. This is only common sense.

I own a shotgon , and its in my room - but I would like to see the day where guns aren’t need - although I don’t think it will be in our lifetime

Maybe bazookas, rocket lauchers and such.

I personally do not like guns, though I own one. I prefer to rely on less lethal means of protection. But this is not a Church issue. The Catholic Church has always supported the right to use deadly force to protect yourself or others. It can even be a grave duty in some situations. I think the OP is concerned about something that doesn’t exist. Practically speaking, an armed populace is the greatest deterent to crime and tyranny, in my opinion. Really, most of the practical application is just opinion and we can all disagree.

Sensible gun ownership? Sure, if you’re a raving looney, I would hope you don’t own a gun, if you’re a person with a criminal past, and you paid your debt to society, you should not be stripped of your rights though. If you’re that bad, perhaps we shouldn’t let you out of jail.

Registration does nothing to prevent gun violence or crime, I don’t believe in it, it only serves to tell the government which can be tyrannical, who has guns and how many they have.

And what guns should we not have? Full auto rifles? Why not? The military and police have them, why can’t we? It was the visiion of our founding fathers that we have the SAME weapons as the government. To give the government free reign, and letting them have some weapons and not us. That opens the door to tyranny.

High capacity magazines? Why not? I see no issue with types of weapons unless we’re talking about offensive weapons such as nuclear weapons and the like, these weapons can not be used to defend but to destroy, we can’t put the genie back in the bottle and governments will have them, and if governments will have them anyway, I don’t want our government left out.

The Church does not forbid gun ownership or use for legitimate purposes and nothing any Bishop or group of Bishops have said should be construed otherwise.

You are free to disagree with a Bishop or group of Bishops on this matter, as it is not an essential teaching of the faith, likewise, they are free to disagree with you.

I am kind of glad we don’t let convicts run around with guns. Just because people eventually earn their freedom does not mean that it is wise to let them have armed freedom. A little thing called recitivism, you know. Some criminals do go back, or even escalate their crime.

Greetings,

Regarding the original post, was there something said or that you read that had you believe there was a teaching against guns by the Church?

I don’t own guns but do own tactical knives and other non-firearm weapons for practice of martial arts and self-defense. I would never use these weapons on another human being with the intent to hurt them other than as a last resort of self-defense. I don’t remember seeing any “official” teaching of the Church against this.

Perhaps this was a priest or bishop expressing his opinion on the matter?

In Christ,
Bryan

Is there some specific statement from a bishop or bishops that would lead you to conclude that the official Catholic position is that guns should be banned?

“As bishops, we support measures that control the sale and use of firearms and make them safer – especially efforts that prevent their unsupervised use by children or anyone other than the owner – and we reiterate our call for sensible regulation of handguns.”

That’s followed by a footnote that states: “However, we believe that in the long run and with few exceptions – i.e. police officers, military use – handguns should be eliminated from our society.”

Quote from they US Bishops Conference. Found on uscatholic.org/news/2011/01/gun-control-church-firmly-quietly-opposes-firearms-civilians

Well not only is the above statement a bit naive on the part of the bishops, and a bit irresponsible, but it’s also not infallible. Though I do understan and acknowledge that they have the best of intentions. Of course they don’t want even law enforcement to carry firearms. But that’s not a realistic goal.

These types of statements disturb me. Throughout history Police officers and militaries have confiscated guns and slaugtered their own citizens. I also resent these types of remarks from the Bishops.

Last year our bishop encouraged everyone in his Diocese (Rockville Centre) to support a handgun stamping bill. The bill is ridiculous and would do nothing to reduce crime. If I wanted to commit a crime I could file off the stamp or use a reolver.

The Bishops should stick to Faith and morals. If they need to make political statements how about statements encouraging liberty.

:popcorn:

Domenico Cardinal-Deacon Calcagno is a gun enthusiast and he has a nice collection of firearms.

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Peter often carried a sword. It’s the usage of any weapon that can become an issue.

From the catechism.

2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:
If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one’s own life than of another’s.66

2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.

Note, under US law the police are under no obligation or legal duty to protect an individual. See
Warren vs the District of Colombia (ruled no obligation without a specific agreement between police and a specific individual. It is the invdividual’s responsibility to protect themselves)

Castle Rock vs Gonzalez ( a restraining order does not establish an agreement as referenced in Warren vs DC)

Most states also reiterate that in their laws, for example California-
"California’s Government Code, Sections 821, 845, and 846 which state, in part: "Neither a public entity or a public employee [may be sued] for failure to provide adequate police protection or service, failure to prevent the commission of crimes and failure to apprehend criminals.’’

So, under US law it is your responsibility to defend yourself and your family, not the police. Hypocritical of DC to have banned the means on one hand claiming people should rely on the police, than on the other hand argue in court that the police have no duty to protect you.

Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars"

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