Has America Gone Atheist?


#1

Has America gone atheist?

Sixty years ago most Americans would have regarded as moronic and obscene the idea that to kill the unborn should be an act protected by the Constitution, or that the marriage of members of the same sex should be an act protected by the Constitution, or that homosexual married partners have the right to adopt children, or that the execution by starvation of disabled people should be protected by the Constitution. Today these moronic and obscene notions are enjoying the protection or the serious consideration of many of our lawmakers. Are these lawmakers Christians or atheists?


#2

[quote=Gilbert Keith]Are these lawmakers Christians or atheists?
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According the a relatively recent survey (can’t remember which one), 84% of Americans consider themselves Christians. If you consider that number to be indicative of all groups in America, then about 84% of Congress is Christian.


#3

According the a relatively recent survey (can’t remember which one), 84% of Americans consider themselves Christians.
What Americans consider themselves and what they really are may be two different things. I have learned that the lies we tell ourselves are mightier in malignance than the lies we tell others. Isaiah talked about the Remnant of true Jews, and Elijah knew Israel had sold its soul to Jezabel.

Have American “Christians” kneeled to atheistic liberalism?

If not, why are we in the mess we are in today?


#4

America may have unwittingly “gone atheist”. There is a blurring which is going-on in so many “Christian” communities where truly atheistic, agnostic, and just plain “weird” concept are creeping into the faith. Who would have thought that most Protestants would have accepted artificial birth control prior to the 1920s? Who would have believed just 20 years ago that they would ordain gay pastors and bishops? How about “christians” that have no qualms with Abortion ? No doubt, many of these people still call themselves “Christians”. The Churchs (all of them, including the Catholic church) have many “false prophets” working from the inside now.


#5

[quote=tkdnick]If you consider that number to be indicative of all groups in America, then about 84% of Congress is Christian.
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Name one atheistic member of Congress?


#6

Is christian in words but atheist in facts, none says in US that is atheist, is very different than here in Europe, here the people is more sincerec, they are agnostic/atheist not catholic.


#7

[quote=tkdnick]According the a relatively recent survey (can’t remember which one), 84% of Americans consider themselves Christians. If you consider that number to be indicative of all groups in America, then about 84% of Congress is Christian.
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Thus the inherent evil bred by protestantism. There are about 25,000 definitions of the word Christian, and unfortunatley some fo those definitions allow for such Evil things as abortion, euthanasia, etc…

If we all were devout Catholics, we wouldn’t be in this mess…


#8

I think a large number of judges in our court system and professors and in our universites are atheist and being in infulential postions affect a lot of what is being taught and being ruled upon in the United States. But for most of the ordinary americans I don’t think they are atheist what most people have become are nominal christians who are indifferent to moral teachings of their faith.
I think sometime like 78 percent of people believe in the virgin birth of Jesus that is an astounding number in Europe your getting numbers like 10 to 20 percent on this question they think its a myth. However we have christians living together before marriage, committing adultery, having abortions, think killing Terry is ok, etc
Its nominalism to the core teachings of the christian faith.
We don’t mind the concept of God unless God has to enter our bedroom. We are a nominal religious country which like to think about religion but don’t like practicing or living out the faith. Its pretty weird. In a way Europe is more honest they reject the faith and admit they think many things of the faith are a sham like the virgin birth. We think the Bible is true but kinda out of date for today.


#9

[quote=Franze]Is christian in words but atheist in facts
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The No True Scotsman fallacy?


#10

[quote=Maccabees]I think a large number of judges in our court system and professors and in our universites are atheist and being in infulential postions affect a lot of what is being taught and being ruled upon in the United States. But for most of the ordinary americans I don’t think they are atheist what most people have become are nominal christians who are indifferent to moral teachings of their faith.
I think sometime like 78 percent of people believe in the virgin birth of Jesus that is an astounding number in Europe your getting numbers like 10 to 20 percent on this question they think its a myth. However we have christians living together before marriage, committing adultery, having abortions, think killing Terry is ok, etc
Its nominalism to the core teachings of the christian faith.
We don’t mind the concept of God unless God has to enter our bedroom. We are a nominal religious country which like to think about religion but don’t like practicing or living out the faith. Its pretty weird. In a way Europe is more honest they reject the faith and admit they think many things of the faith are a sham like the virgin birth. We think the Bible is true but kinda out of date for today.
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This is what I have said before, I prefer the sincerity in Europe, because others produce that many people don´t want the faith because their brothers are hypocriticals, but the consequence is that we are few, but we are catholics


#11

Post-modernist, yes. Post-modernists believe that truth is relative. They allow for the idea of God, and many use “God speak” often.
Post-modernism does not hold to moral absolutes on matters that “inhibit progress.” Science, technology and law are in flux and are essential tools which are enabling humanity to progressively evolve.

Traditions, customs and belief systems that get in the way are cast aside. With time comes “illumination” (remember the elder Bush’s “1,000 points of light” and “New World Order.”). Persons holding to contrary belief systems are gradually ostracized from the public arena of thought either through, what Karl likes to call, the “argument by sneer,” or by increased societal restrictions and regulations imposed upon them.

True atheists may not disagree with the post-modernists strident humanism, but they would surely disagree that all “truth” is relative. For the pure athiest, there is only one basic truth…there is absolutely no God period.


#12

[quote=eptatorata]The No True Scotsman fallacy?
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I don´t understand, can you explain what you mean


#13

[quote=Franze]This is what I have said before, I prefer the sincerity in Europe, because others produce that many people don´t want the faith because their brothers are hypocriticals, but the consequence is that we are few, but we are catholics
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European culture, by rejecting the Christian faith outright, has set itself up for manipulation, control and domination by another religious faith, Islam, which is already sweeping in to fill the void. If trends continue, within thirty years, Europe will be a continent dominated by Moslems.


#14

[quote=TheGarg]Thus the inherent evil bred by protestantism. There are about 25,000 definitions of the word Christian, and unfortunatley some fo those definitions allow for such Evil things as abortion, euthanasia, etc…

If we all were devout Catholics, we wouldn’t be in this mess…
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And “protestantism” owes its origins to “Roman Catholicism,” and “Roman Catholicism” to “Judaism.” There are often many “protestants” who are more vocal against such things as abortion, euthanasia, and the cultural slide down the slippery slope of relativism in America than there are Roman Catholics. Listening to talk shows here in “Kennedy country” (Boston, MA), you would think it was a sacrament to let Terri Schiavo starve to death. Lots of practicing “Roman Catholics” out there are not as committed to the cause of life as many “protestants” I have known who are willing to get arrested for the cause, face jail time, and pay fines for the cause if need be.

Anti-“protestantism” is just as pitiful as anti-“Catholicism,” and I, for one, cannot stand for it.


#15

[quote=4 marks]European culture, by rejecting the Christian faith outright, has set itself up for manipulation, control and domination by another religious faith, Islam, which is already sweeping in to fill the void. If trends continue, within thirty years, Europe will be a continent dominated by Moslems.
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I have thought this very thing for many years. There is a spiritual vacuum in Europe and it will be filled. And, it seems it will be filled by Islam. In Europe, what Muslim invaders failed to do by force centuries ago, will now be done by the Europeans themselves. Europe will under the total domination of Islam within 100 years. The Koran teaches that Islam should BE the government, it sees no distinction. It’s a frightening thought really. All of that technology and industrial capacity possibly being used against us. Europe has no significant military might only because it chooses not to. Only because we have been their protectors since WWII. Imagine if it had a military objective.


#16

Worse! It has embraced Christian Modernism :frowning:


#17

[quote=Gilbert Keith]Has America gone atheist?

Sixty years ago most Americans would have regarded as . . . Today these moronic and obscene notions are enjoying the protection or the serious consideration of many of our lawmakers. Are these lawmakers Christians or atheists?
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hello, many of these lawmakers and judges are professed Christians and even Catholics, who either belong to denominations who have accepted and supported these obscene notions, or are urging their church to do so. the real question is are professed Christians followers of Christ or followers of Satan. We should worry about the wolves in our own ranks before blaming the atheists. they at least would be absolved of blame for offending God if they don’t acknowledge God.


#18

[quote=Franze]I don´t understand, can you explain what you mean
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See here.


#19

[quote=Tmaque]I have thought this very thing for many years. There is a spiritual vacuum in Europe and it will be filled. And, it seems it will be filled by Islam. In Europe, what Muslim invaders failed to do by force centuries ago, will now be done by the Europeans themselves. Europe will under the total domination of Islam within 100 years. The Koran teaches that Islam should BE the government, it sees no distinction. It’s a frightening thought really. All of that technology and industrial capacity possibly being used against us. Europe has no significant military might only because it chooses not to. Only because we have been their protectors since WWII. Imagine if it had a military objective.
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Do you think that US has better future?, I have to say many times, there are suchs ordinations to priests in my town with a province of 3 million people than New York, US hasn´t a better future.


#20

[quote=eptatorata]Name one atheistic member of Congress?
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I can’t. First I don’t keep up on Congressional members. And second, there are other options besides just Christian and Atheist. I was merely pointing out that if we apply the survery of American population to Congress, then about 84% would consider themselves Christian.


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