Has the #MeToo movement become a witch-hunt to a significant degree?


#934

Yeah, part of the problem for women is it’s a catch-22. It’s not like there’s a glow only women can see around dangerous men. I’ve known some men who got very upset on being told that approaching women on dark, isolated streets isn’t likely to be well received. We don’t know you, we have absolutely no way of knowing your intentions.

Yeah. And some of that was necessary. Many of the old norms were set for a time when men and women didn’t typically work the same jobs, and where it was expected that men primarily socialized with men and women with women.


#935

I meant women in 4-year colleges today.


#936

Are you referring to students at college or women with Bachelors degrees?


#937

That’s going to be really tough, given the demographic stats I mentioned about college, motherhood, marriage, and divorce.

Also, come to think of it, the following are 4-year colleges:

–Christendom
–Franciscan University at Steubenville
–Ave Maria
–Wheaton
–Biola
–Baylor
–Calvin College
–Liberty
–Bob Jones University
–Hillsdale
–Regent University

And there a lot of other small, conservative religious colleges I’m probably missing. Now, some of these are not super strict, BUT all of them have a strong conservative or orthodox presence.

It seems pretty weird to advise fellow Catholic men to walk right past their counterparts who are Christendom graduates. It reminds me of the Jewish joke about the ultra-Orthodox rabbi who winds up in heaven with his flock at the Messiah’s banquet, and cautions his followers only to eat the fruit, because he’s afraid the other food is not kosher enough.


#938

Also, come to think of it, church attendance is more common among college graduates.

" In fact, Catholic, Mormon, and Protestant college grads are all more likely to attend church on a weekly basis than their less educated peers."

" Sixty-eight percent of college-educated evangelical Protestants go to church every week, compared to 55 percent of those who only went to high school. In fact, college grads show up in the church pews more often in nearly every kind of Christian tradition: Among mainline Protestants, weekly attendance was 36 to 31 percent, more educated to less; among black Protestants, 59 to 52 percent; and among Catholics, 45 to 39 percent."

Throwing out women with a 4-year degree from your dating pool means eliminating a lot of marriage-minded, family-minded, religion-minded women.

Plus, whatever ideological stuff you dislike about college, people can pick up just as easily online. Non-college women still have Facebook…


#939

You said the way a woman dresses can be an invitation to harass. That’s blaming the victim.


#940

I will say that people who flirt with other people they like while at work (or in class, if students) and then act offended by people whom they decide they don’t like when those people try to flirt are being unprofessional and disingenuous. As much as I defend anyone’s right to associate with whomever they like on their free time, it is problematic at work or in an academic setting. That implies that dressing in a way that is flirtatious is unprofessional. I know everybody wants to wear what they want whenever they want, but if you are in a bar and tell someone to buzz off because his overtures are not welcome it isn’t quite the same as telling a co-worker to buzz off. Employers and schools trying to eliminate behavior that will be interpreted as harassing have a good reason to have a dress code that is more conservative than a lot of people are going to like. That isn’t “victim blaming,” IMHO. That is telling students and employees that there are limits to their “free speech” when they are on someone else’s clock.

It is yet one more good reason to tell people to cut out the flirting until they are off the clock. They’ll live.


#941

Had a buddy who went to Christendom. He reported that the college had plenty of feministas in attendance. The odds of meeting a nice girl at one of those colleges are probably slightly better though.


#942

That’s the first time here that dressing has been connected specifically to work. Prior to that it’s just been, if you wear certain clothes in public you’re inviting harassment.


#943

Proving that there was a sexual encounter is not evidence of rape, unless of course we take the feminist position that all sex is rape.

The danger I am referring to is the destruction of due process and the fact that innocent men will be unfairly condemned.

You are always free to accuse someone, civilized society requires evidence to corroborate those accusations. Since that false accusation means a painful and humiliating ordeal for the accused, prison time, potential prison rape, a felony conviction, a spot on the sex offender registry along with the reduced career and housing opportunities, I would say a false accusation can be just as serious as rape if not more so.

What is it with feminists and their desire that sex should be associated with fear? (but only for men) I already know the correct answer, I just curious what your explanation is.


#944

Apparently quoting that post exceeded the character limit so I had to split it.

That last sentence is wrong as I already explained. As for the rest of that paragraph, mind telling me what consequences there are for women who have sex outside of wedlock? Contraception is legal, abortion is legal, slut-shamers are shamed, child support is state enforced and you can be forced to pay even if it was not your biological child. You have security guards, police officers, and plenty of men who will happily white knight for free to ensure your safety.

No, the preponderance of concern needs to be focused on following the rules, innocent until proven guilty, and requiring actual proof of guilt.


#945

Because it’s been associated with fear for women for a long time, and still is.

(Before you start going on about how feminism cause that - that’s also been the teaching in pretty much every traditional, feminist-shunning community. It’s just framed as “women have to be cautious and treat men with kid gloves” instead.)


#946

No, it’s not, and I didn’t even say that. I say that women who fear men so should exercise prudence. It’s a nuance. Life is not all black and white.


#947

If anyone is doing that, they are guilty of mortal sin. Do feminists take that into account? I don’t know. I’m not a feminist, and tend to steer clear of them in real life.


#948

Your implication that there’s no overlap between nice girls and feminism made me chuckle. Thanks for the laugh :roll_eyes:


#949

Why would they? Not all feminists are practicing Catholics.


#950

Yes it is, and yes you did say that. Your words:

…but I do think women should be cautious about how they dress and not expose too much because doing so is kind of like an invitation to harass and more whether the woman feels that way or not.


#951

Flirting isn’t the same as just wearing clothes. Individual people have different ideas of what constitutes sexy wear, and what I regard as simply “comfortable” could be a turn-on to a person with different standards, and vice versa.


#952

I’ve had men insist to me that there is no possible reason for a woman to be wearing makeup, unless she wants to get attention from men. :roll_eyes:


#953

Preach.

(mom’s spaghetti)


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