Heart has hardened!


#1

HELP ME!!! :eek:

Remember how I was terribly feared by the fact of the Eucharistic Miracles? I was convinced that it happened and could happen, because ANYTHING is possible with God :thumbsup:

Now, after reading this, (if you have the time, read ALL)
madredelleucaristia.it/eng/miracles.htm I suddenly had this feeling that what if it was just to decieve people and the people made it up (I know, whack me on the head for even thinking a thought like that! :frowning: )

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! You guys have no clue how frustrated I am with myself for not believing, yet I want to believe and have a desire to believe it can happen (sounds like a contradiction, I know). I don’t get it…a couple weeks ago, I believed, but now I’m to the point of it’s impossible.

Why is my heart hardened by this true fact (hopefully, it’s true!) and I’m trying to “lighten” my heart to believe but I can’t do it. I DON’T want my heart hardened by it. Yet my soul feels saddened because I can’t believe when I know it could be true. It’s like there’s a part of me that says it’s impossible! and there’s a part of me that tells me, it’s true, believe! And then the two feelings “fight” with each other, giving me the results of “not knowing”. Know what I’m talking about?

I’ve been praying about this a lot (yes, even to Mary even!) to open my heart again to it and help me believe but nothing happens. What on earth is going on? Am I being tested? :frowning:

And I really DON’T want to disappoint Christ, Mary, etc. :frowning: Now what?


#2

Miracles are nice, but ultimately our belief in the Real Presence doesn’t depend on them. We need to trust in the teaching of the Church which Jesus founded that tells us that in the Eucharist the bread and wine are changed into His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.
Keep Praying and offer Him your troubles!


#3

Dear Paris,
The site you referenced has no approval by the Church regarding these alleged miracles. I do not wonder that you are in doubt.
If you insist on Eucharistic miracles, Approved by the Church, read the Fatima apparitions near the beginning. Tell us what the Angel did to those children.
Fatima is testified to even by atheists who witnessed it.
There is TOOOO much testimony of the early Church to deny the Teaching was from the very beginning of the True Church.
Keep going, you’ll get there.
If you have an Indult Latin Mass anywhere near you, find out when High Mass occurs and attend it. That will also help a great deal.


#4

[quote=drforjc]Miracles are nice, but ultimately our belief in the Real Presence doesn’t depend on them. We need to trust in the teaching of the Church which Jesus founded that tells us that in the Eucharist the bread and wine are changed into His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.
Keep Praying and offer Him your troubles!
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So whether we believe or not has NOTHING to do with the reality that it IS the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ?

So the reality is, it is. Well, then why can’t we just believe?
:frowning:


#5

Paris,

Judging by this and other posts of yours, I’d suggest you take a deep breath and just reelllaaaaaaxxxxx. :slight_smile:

Your tone sounds like mine many years ago when I frazzled myself to the point of killing my faith. I thought I had to get it just right, or else it would all collapse.

So, don’t worry. Slow down. Be still and silent. The stress isn’t worth it.

Cheers,
Christopher


#6

[quote=TNT]Dear Paris,
The site you referenced has no approval by the Church regarding these alleged miracles. I do not wonder that you are in doubt.
If you insist on Eucharistic miracles, Approved by the Church, read the Fatima apparitions near the beginning. Tell us what the Angel did to those children.
Fatima is testified to even by atheists who witnessed it.
There is TOOOO much testimony of the early Church to deny the Teaching was from the very beginning of the True Church.
Keep going, you’ll get there.
If you have an Indult Latin Mass anywhere near you, find out when High Mass occurs and attend it. That will also help a great deal.
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Hmmmmmmm…that’s amazing. The first link I went to: therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/a3.html had me to believe…I was convinced.

But the other link I gave you guys, I had a harder time believing.

But then the thought came to my mind: well, why would someone lie or make up something about something so sacred when they know that it would disappoint Christ Himself?

Boy, this is a toughy!
:o


#7

[quote=TNT]Dear Paris,
The site you referenced has no approval by the Church regarding these alleged miracles. I do not wonder that you are in doubt.
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Hmmmm…maybe that’s why my heart hardened, eh? If that’s the case, then maybe the Holy Spirit didn’t want me to be decieved by the photos and all. I mean, if you guys look VERY closely at some of the pictures, it starts to get you to think, what? That doesn’t seem right because it sure got me to think that though I was open to the fact that it could’ve happened but now that it was not approved by the Church, now I understand why.
:o


#8

[quote=Paris Blues]Hmmmmmmm…that’s amazing. The first link I went to: therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/a3.html had me to believe…I was convinced.

But the other link I gave you guys, I had a harder time believing.

But then the thought came to my mind: well, why would someone lie or make up something about something so sacred when they know that it would disappoint Christ Himself?

Boy, this is a toughy!
:o
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People make up things for all sorts of reasons. Some are glory seekers; they want their “15 minutes” of fame. Some are dillusional. Some are mentally unstable. Some seem somewhat, if not completely, incapable of distinguishing between reality and make-believe. Some seem to have a deep seated need to "have’ a miracle in order to “sustain” their faith. And some seem to be mislead, wittingly or unwittingly, by Satan.

The creation of confusion is consistently a mark of the workings of Satan, but most definitely not all confusion is created by Satan.
I agree with other comments in this thread, that you might be wise to let all of this go, and concentrate on growing closer to God, through Christ, through prayer, and paying attention particularly to those around you. Christ calls us to follow Him, not to seek out miracles. Christ is at work in the world around us, and through us. We are not called to rush off to the scene of the most recent “miracle” or “apparition”, but to be fully present to one another, to bring the Good News to the world.

You might re-read the Gospels, particularly the synoptic Gospels, and note how little effect the miracles that Christ worked had on those who saw them; also read John, chapter 6. In that chapter, Christ worked some outstanding miracles, and yet the chapter tells us many of the disciples left Him in spite of these miracles.

Christ remarks on those who have seen, and believe, and then blesses us, who have not seen but believe. You might concentrate on the “not seeing, but believing” part of that message, and take it to heart.


#9

Paris,

if there is any truth surrounding the site that you first gave us, then time alone will tell. I was concerned over a few things concerning a matter of obedience to the Church. I was also concerned about the priest claiming that he had been ordained as Bishop by Jesus. This does not sit very well with me.

I would say that at least until the matter is sorted out by Vatican officials that you give that site a miss. I honestly do not know if what is there is true.

MaggieOH


#10

Hey Paris Blues!

Remember what Jesus said to the apostle Thomas (st. Thomas): "Jesus said to him, ‘Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe.’ " (John 20:29).

You are not asked to believe in Eucaristic Miracles, but to believe when you cannot see (the change in the Eucarist). Try to pray the Rosary daily. (It’ s an antidiote to everything the secular world are trying to give us of non-religious stuff).

Here is a good start to be guided in how to pray it if you haven’t learned it, yet:

easterbrooks.com/personal/calendar/rosary/sorrow.html

Remember Satan is at hard work these days and want us all to loose faith! Don’t give him the chance to mess things up for you!

If you need miracles, follow the advice someone else gave: Reread what happend at Fatima, about 70 000 people saw the last miracle at 13. october 1917. (Two of the three children that started to see mircles, were told that they would die soon. The third one was promised a long life and that she would end her life here on earth on a day dated 13. She died last sunday (the 13. of february, 97 years old. The two other children died, as they were told, very young).

The last Fatima-micacle: 13. october 1917:
ewtn.com/fatima/apparitions/October.htm

Sr. Lucia and a gate to the whole story:
ewtn.com/news/index.asp

:blessyou:

G.Grace


#11

Paris,

What makes you think that hardness of heart is your problem? If that were the case, you wouldn’t even be posting here.


#12

Holy Office under Pope Benedict XV:

[size=2]Moreover, let people be subject to the sanctions given both by Pope Leo XIII through the Constitution of the offices and responsibilities against those who publish books dealing with religious things without legitimate permission of superiors and by Urban VIII through the decree “Sanctissimus Dominus Noster”[/size] given on 13th March 1625 against those who publish asserted revelations without the permission of ordinaries (bishops). However, this decree does not forbid devotion towards the Blessed Virgin under the title of Reconciliatrix commonly of La Salette.

[size=2]Given at Rome on 21st December, 1915. [/size]

[size=2]Aloisius Castellano, S. R. and U. I. Notary. [/size]

In short, a Catholic has no permission to publish unapproved “apparitions”. Therefore the site is perfoming a non-Catholic exercise that promotes"charismatic gifts"
Such has never been the True Faith of a Catholic.
True Miracles are certainly for our edification, but a True Miracle is quite rare and only approved after severe scrutiny by both Church and secular experts.
Photos can be doctored to deceive even the Faithful. Why do you think we still have counterfeit money that takes sophisticated instruments to detect?
Why do we have counterfeit diamonds that cannot be proven otherwise without instruments…same for rare art?
One Approved Eucharistic Miracle on-going and scrutinized for centuries:
Luciano


#13

first of all your teaching on doctrine comes from the Catholic Church, not from websites, even this one, although good websites may transmit accurately the teaching of the Catholic Church (as this one does, the home page, not necessarily every participant in the forums) so your first mistake is basing your belief or unbelief on what you find on these websites.

I am unable to determine of you despair of believing in the validity of reported “Eucharistic miracles” or in the actual Real Sacramental Presence of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist under the appearances of bread and wine. For the latter we have Christ’s own assurance, and if you believe in Christ, you believe his words and actions. If you suspend belief in some of what he said, did and promised, you do not completely believe in Christ.

If you require the evidence of Eucharistic miracles, which all come under the heading of private revelation (if valid) then your faith is not in Jesus Christ, but in the reports of various more or less reliable human beings.


#14

It would not be an article of faith if there was no Mystery to it…It is truly a divine mystery…one that requires faith…what would be the value of faith and hope if you had all the answers and everything were revealed to you???

[quote=Paris Blues]HELP ME!!! :eek:

Remember how I was terribly feared by the fact of the Eucharistic Miracles? I was convinced that it happened and could happen, because ANYTHING is possible with God :thumbsup:

Now, after reading this, (if you have the time, read ALL)
madredelleucaristia.it/eng/miracles.htm I suddenly had this feeling that what if it was just to decieve people and the people made it up (I know, whack me on the head for even thinking a thought like that! :frowning: )

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! You guys have no clue how frustrated I am with myself for not believing, yet I want to believe and have a desire to believe it can happen (sounds like a contradiction, I know). I don’t get it…a couple weeks ago, I believed, but now I’m to the point of it’s impossible.

Why is my heart hardened by this true fact (hopefully, it’s true!) and I’m trying to “lighten” my heart to believe but I can’t do it. I DON’T want my heart hardened by it. Yet my soul feels saddened because I can’t believe when I know it could be true. It’s like there’s a part of me that says it’s impossible! and there’s a part of me that tells me, it’s true, believe! And then the two feelings “fight” with each other, giving me the results of “not knowing”. Know what I’m talking about?

I’ve been praying about this a lot (yes, even to Mary even!) to open my heart again to it and help me believe but nothing happens. What on earth is going on? Am I being tested? :frowning:

And I really DON’T want to disappoint Christ, Mary, etc. :frowning: Now what?
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#15

I know I shouldn’t linger on these miracles forever because than, like you guys said, I would have no faith in Christ Himself.

I guess I’ll have to say that I was just amazed about them…because I feel that I was even taking the Eucharist myself for granted.:frowning:

But when I was reading about the miracles and all, I was thinking, oh my, I shouldn’t take it for granted! In other words, it “opened my eyes” to know He IS really present!

Not that I’m obsessed with it…just was amazed. Make sense? :stuck_out_tongue:


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