I post a lot on another forum; which also happens to have a Religion board. I was explaining to someone(big supporter of the whole “YHWH” thing) reasons why I’m Catholic, etc using some of the info in my last thread and what I have read. This is the message he said, can you guys explain/refute any of this?
Red=What I had said
Green=What he said
First of all, the most common thing said, it WAS the church founded by Christ.
Christianity is a false, pagan religion, and it is all due to the Roman Catholic Church. The false doctrines of pagan Rome and Greece influence her theologies. And the reason why they justify it is because they are without law. They don’t know YHWH’s will. They have said his law is done away with. That is why Daniel speaks of the “Mystery of Iniquity/Lawlessness”. Who says there is no law? Christianity.
And if Moshiach said his people are the “little flock” and that few find the way that leads to life, why then are there nearly 1 billion Catholics? Why one billion Christians? Why has she influenced the world so much? She is driven by Satan, who “decieved the whole world”, as is stated by Paul, I believe.
No if’s/ands/or buts about it.
Not at all. No “ifs/ands/buts” were given in my sentence above.
NONE of the teachings of the RC go against Scripture, and MOST are SUPPORTED by Scripture.
This, simply, is not the truth.
It is the Church that constructed the Bible; without the Catholic Church we wouldn’t have had the Bible.
Which is why I do not trust everything in it.
You cannot interpret Scripture by yourself. “First of all you must understand this, that no prophesy is a matter of one’s own interpretation.” (1 Peter 1:20)
First of all, this is in 2 Peter, not 1 Peter. And this is taken out of context. He is talking about prophesy. The prophesy of the scripture. And you have to understand the next verse and the verses before it to get this verse. He is saying that even though he had seen Yahshua in glory on the mount and heard the voice of the Father from heaven, he had something even more sure than this testimony: that the scripture had predicted already, the coming of Moshiach. No man just made up the truth of that prophecy. But it was Elohim that preicted these things.
It is not saying that no one cannot interpret scripture…
You need someone with authority appointed by God to explain God’s word. Read the story of Philip & the eunuch in Acts 8:26-39. The eunuch says, “How can I [understand this] unless some one guides me?” The person qualified to explain was Philip, an Apostle of Christ. God didn’t just abandon us with the Bible, but gave us a church to preserve and explain all His teachings, not just those found in the Bible.
Philip didn’t have the “bible”, he was reading from Isaiah. And the reason he didn’t understand it is because he was unfamiliar with it. He had no clue what it was talking about.
And what “church” did Elohim give us? Where is it in the bible?
The Bible doesn’t have everything in it. “Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book” (John 20:30) “But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.” (John 21:25)
The author of the book of John was speaking of the book he was writing (the book called the book of John) not any canonized “bible”. There was none.
If there is any scriptures you can use to lean on, you can use the Tanach, or what is called the “old testament”. That is what Yahshua lived by. There are other books outide the canon of scripture that are useful, but you have to be careful on which ones are off and which ones are good for doctrine.
If they do not line up with what is written in the Hebrew canon of scripture, the Tanach, it is not to be trusted.