[quote="Joseph629, post:4, topic:197694"]
I like what Fr Benedict Groeschel once said: "I am neither a Liberal Catholic, nor a Conservative Catholic", but an Authentic Catholic.
I say: "Amen to that".
:thumbsup: I agree.
The issue really is who has been brainwashed the most or been driven into popular culture.
The OP is missing the point as he seems to be writing only from what he perceives as a "conservative" and therefore "correct" in his mind's standpoint. They are also defining moral values with fiscal values, they are, no matter what people tell you, 2 completely distinct things that have been intermingled on the American public to the detriment of the nation. My conclusion I hope will show that I agree with neither but I'm sure my disdain for one of the parties will show through in my writing as well.
The Church, from a sociopolitical view, especially if you have read the Pope's writings of the last few years is almost 100% in line with the Democratic Party in the US from a Fiscal standpoint.
The Church from a moral standpoint is often usually in line with what is stated by the Republican party.
The main problem is the issue of abortion. If most of the Democrats were not Pro-Choice, the body of the Church in the US would probably be 90% Democrat like it was before 1972.
Remember that the Pope is looking at things from a world viewpoint. If you look at the rest of the world from a political standpoint, we haven't had a truly fiscally left (much less a socialist) President... ever. Obama is still on the right side of the political spectrum, much farther right than the Pope himself in regards to fiscal beliefs.
The Church teaches a social justice Theology that is not the "social justice" you hear about on Glenn Beck or what most Protestant churches are teaching. The Church teaches that one of the reasons we are here are to do corporeal works of mercy. Those works are just at our Parish level, they should extend to our States and Nation and even the whole world if possible. How many people has the Church fed and clothed in the Name of Christ? Read the sermon on the Mount the listen to Fiscal Conservative ideas and see if you can make the 2 match?
So when the OP was stating we needed to get the 2 groups talking he was kind of on the right track, but the issue is that we need to be Catholic before assign ourselves to any political party.
Truthfully the unbridled greed, possibly unjust wars, promotion of the whole "me" idea of only looking out for yourself, the promotion of death penalty, lack of regards to environmental issues (some of these are mortal sins now remember?) and the lack of any real movement (they put most of the judges on the bench and have been in power twice as long as the Dems since RvW) and my own personal experience of them trying to train me to lie to people to get money from them force me to leave the Republican party almost 20 years ago.
Yet the Democrats seem to take issues that are so morally against the Church it's difficult to justify voting for them either. Of course if you realize less babies died under Clinton (it was the largest decrease in abortion ever) then more started dying under GWB... that might make a difference (don't believe me check out the CDC website). When you realize that the social programs for young mothers do make a difference... when you realize we are ranked 24th in infant mortality because your Government won't help young mothers but gives tax cuts to people making enough money to have multiple palatial homes... it might bother you... or maybe not.
The poor will always be with us, but in the greatest nation on Earth when we have so much, no one should not be able to go to the Dr, regardless of their social standings, no mother should not have the money to buy formula or afford the basic food needed to properly breastfeed their child, no parent should have to watch their child come home in a box because the President had self-esteem issues and needed his fathers approval to the point he fabricated information to take our nation to war... this might lead you to say... it's a paradox that less babies die under pro-choice presidents but a life is truly a life.
Remember that neither candidate supported "gay" marriage last time and that the stimulus was crafted by GWB administration 9 months... remember guys NINE MONTHS before Lehman Brothers went under... they KNEW it was probably doing to happen but did nothing waiting to see if it wouldn't until after Nov 4th... is that the type of people we want in office?
On the other hand, even though their fiscal policies are more in line with the teachings of the Church, do we REALLY want people in the WH who don't believe life begins at conception? I personally don't care what religion they are but to me it's a medical/biological issue. What groups are the Democrats beholden to that they can't see medical evidence staring them in the face?!?
So we are back to the question... right?
My answer... we need another party. As Catholics we do NOT fit with the tea party, we do not fit with the Republicans, we don't fit with the Democrats, we really aren't libertarians either...
We, if we follow our Pope and the direction of the Church in other areas, are Fiscally Liberal Moral Conservatives and frankly that party just doesn't exist in US politics.
Maybe we should create it?