Help With Bible and Protestants


#1

I need some help with examples of doctrines that Protestants believe (specifically Lutherans, but could be any denomination in general) that are not explicitly found in the Bible? For example, the word “Trinity”, or the natures of Christ, etc.

Any other suggestions??

Thanks in advance!!


#2

[quote=DonaNobisPacem]I need some help with examples of doctrines that Protestants believe (specifically Lutherans, but could be any denomination in general) that are not explicitly found in the Bible? For example, the word “Trinity”, or the natures of Christ, etc.

Any other suggestions??

Thanks in advance!!
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Mary (assumption and Immaculate conception) - Male Priesthood etc…

All part of Sacred Tradition

1 Cor 11:2
2 Tim 1:13
2 Thes 2:15


#3

[quote=DonaNobisPacem]I need some help with examples of doctrines that Protestants believe (specifically Lutherans, but could be any denomination in general) that are not explicitly found in the Bible? For example, the word “Trinity”, or the natures of Christ, etc.

Any other suggestions??

Thanks in advance!!
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Good luck using that argument. I have tried it. The Trinity I mean. The excuse is it can be read in the context of the bible and since all christians believe it, it must be true. But of course our Traditions can’t be true, we are just reading the context wrong. :rolleyes:


#4

That the Bible is the ultimate and final revelation, and therefore the only authority.


#5

Lutherans are difficult because they are among the most moderate form of protestants.

Faith Alone, does not actually appear in the bible except to be condemned (in James). However as with most protestant doctrines, they will take you to other scattered verses in the bible that can be manipulated to support their ideas.

The Rapture does not appear in the Bible. In fact Matthew 24 leaves no room for a rapture. But that won’t help you with the Lutherans.

Bans on alcohol do not appear in the Bible.

The Bible advocates an ordained ministry of Bishops, presbyters and Deacons, but some Lutherans have this.


#6

I don’t think prohibitions on gambling are in the Bible either.


#7

We must also recall that the Sabbath is Saturday, not Sunday. I do not believe there is a specific Scriptural reference to Sunday as the day of Worship.

The layout of most Catholic and Protestant churches is also derived (or so I’ve heard) more from the Roman court than from the early house churches (again I’m no expert).

You might also consider such things as wedding ceremonies (white dress, bride given away, rings, etc.) or funerals (our practices are very different from the 1st Century Jewish ones). These things are traditional, not scriptural and yet they are imbued with religious significance. I realize this stuff isn’t doctrinal per se, but it may help a Protestant, provided they actually want to hear the Truth to understand that they have not done away with Tradition.


#8

For Lutherans, ask them where specifically in Scripture that we are told that only the clergy can celebrate the Lord’s Supper. I’ve asked this question of a Presbyterian minister. They can’t answer it because it is not there. Of course, only a validly ordained clergy can celebrate the Eucharist (Lord’s Supper to Lutherans) but this was part of the Oral Tradition that the Apostles handed down.

Also, ask them where we are told that there are only two sacraments and not seven.

Regarding infant baptism, it is implicit in Scripture. A cursory reading of Scripture would seem to support the idea that only adults who make a profession of faith in Christ can be baptized. But the early Church believed in baptizing infants and this is where the practice comes from. Yes, I believe there is Scriptural support but it is like the doctrine of the Trinity; it’s not all in one place…you have to dig for it.

The order of worship/liturgy: Lutherans have a liturgy that almost matches the Mass but where did they get it from? (From Catholics, of course.)

Ask them if their ministers/bishops have valid ordination…do they have Apostolic Succession?

That should be enough to plant a seed.

Gene


#9

How about the canon of the Bible? That certainly isn’t to be found in the Bible, is it? Considering some NT books quote non-biblical books in them should tell you that Protestants are not consistent in using the NT they use.

How about how to conduct a legitimate wedding ceremony? That isn’t in Scripture.

How about Sola Scriptura itself? That CERTAINLY isn’t in Scripture.

Predestination is not explicit in Scripture.

Private Interpretation of Scripture certainly isn’t in Scripture.

Protestantism is one big man-made tradition.


#10

No to thread hijack, but I’d love to know where some Lutheran sects derive their belief that the pope is the Antichrist.


#11

The teaching against abortion is not explicit in the Bible.


#12

I love the Canon issue.


#13

There are two doctrines Protestants stand on that are not in the Bible.

  1. Sola fide
  2. Sola Scriptura

#14

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