Help with public school providing sexual content to students


#114

Which has been my point, too. I think that trying to “save the world” as the later posts devolved to is not helpful. Her kid, her rights. Trying to speak for other children won’t end well.

Many of the issues are faced by teens and these books sometimes do bring healthy conversations. But this is obviously not the case for this student. The teacher’s alternatives show a clear bias for ensuring that children are going to have to tackle some of the adult issues that they may face anyway. This is far from a healthy approach.

All the studies about how bad this is for all adolescents is going to go over like a fart in church. It’s not necessary and it’s not about her daughter. Right now, that’s all that matters.


#115

Thank you! It’s hard to focus on what is important when there are so many elements clamoring for attention, and all seem so important when it is your daughter. This forum has been a great sounding board for all of the things I wish I could say, and the general response to those elements. It has been a bit intense though. It seems that you can be easily misunderstood when you try to explain the spiritual depths of an issue, even on a Catholic forum. Very sad, actually.

I think your advice is spot on—I need to stick to my own daughter, and the objective facts of what has happened here. Surely it will go smoothly then. :no_mouth: It will certainly have more of a chance to be effective, even if it doesn’t go smoothly.

I am going to be honest: I am not looking forward to this at all. But God is faithful, and I am praying that I just say what is pleasing to Him and forget all of my self-driven motions and do His will alone. Nothing like a little bit of terror in facing the establishment on your own to increase your faith in God. I just don’t want to let Him down.


#116

Yup, but CAF is fine, the only thing they told me they took exception to was the ‘you hypocrite!’ bit, which is fair enough I guess, I’ll re-word it for them. :slight_smile:

The main thing I wanted to express, is not only to show their total hypocrisy, but we need to be righteously angered by these people and the kind of stuff they get away with is just mind boggling and so wrong.

Because ‘agree to disagree’ does not cut it. Especially for this kind of stuff.

Sex and sexuality is not their place, and they have no right to be corrupting kids like they are doing.

God Bless You


#117

Doing drugs is also ‘outside of ones comfort zone’ I suppose they should be introducing kids and young adults to drugs citing all of the exact same arguments you and others defending this have been using.

Sex and sexuality have no place in public education and they have no right.

Reagan - A Time For Choosing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvg7lRsCVJ8


#118

I think it’s a bit extreme to equate the illegal activity of “doing drugs” with being expected to read things from a scholarly perspective that may challenge your world view. Often the point of reading them is not even to challenge your view but to appreciate some other part of a work of literature, art etc., such as the way it is written, the theme, the structure and so on. If an adult person (college students are over 18 and are adults) is going to be so immature that he will not be able to look beyond the fact that a book has sex or violence in it and see other things like the writing technique, the theme, the moral, etc. he is not really ready for college. I would further add that a lot of colleges are not part of the “public education” system; many are private schools and you are free to choose one where you feel comfortable, or choose not to attend at all, or choose to study something like math where you will never be assigned a book to read that doesn’t involve formulas and theorems.

The Old Testament has a lot of sex and violence in it. Someone just the other day was reposting the part of Maccabees where people are cut to pieces and fried alive. If that scene was in any book but the Bible, parents would be objecting to it in droves.


#119

Is that what you call it?


#120

Christ called the Pharisees hypocrites, and the people who argue for this kind of sexualized content for kids and young adults are no different.


#121

:roll_eyes:

Christ wasn’t on CAF…

…if he was I’m sure that He’d be displeased with more than one poster here.


#122

I’m sure He would too, especially those with the audacity to call themselves ‘Catholic’ and defend the kind of material the OP describes.


#123

:roll_eyes:

Yeah…those would be the only ones he’d have issue with.

Yep. :roll_eyes:


#124

Never back down to the school and teacher who did all of this to your daughter. Sex ed in public schools these days (I’m a youth) are quite frankly BS. Most of the sex ed teachers are idiots who cradle gays and homosexuals in their arms, if you make the slightest remark on homosexuality your out of their class. Most sex ed teachers promote pornography, masturbation, and homosexual activities which make me sick to my stomach. They treat porn and all of the other countless sinful activities they promote as nothing. If I didn’t have church in my life I would grow up as some unintelligent being who would support porn, lust, masturbation, gay activities, abortion, premarital intercourse, and maybe rape itself. Schools are stupid to have all of these teachers thinking what they are doing is good because it is not. Release all havoc you can on that school for doing that to your daughter, all her classmates, and all or youths who have been hurt by the “teaching” that they provide. As you can probably tell I’m as upset as you after hearing this about your daughter, now imagine all of the other kids in the US who feel like her but are too scared to speak up. I was one around 7th grade. Please do us all a favor and be relentless to the school. I see that you are not afraid to stand up, we need more people and role models like you especially in the Church. I don’t know about all the other members here but we need to start a crusade against all of this disgusting and filthy “education” Deus Vult!


#125

I think you’re missing the point that the books involved, or at least In Cold Blood for sure, have literary merit for adults and possibly for some teens. The only issue here is whether they’re appropriate as an assigned book for an entire high school class of high school minors.

What you’re doing is the equivalent of pointing at some naked ladies in a painting hanging in the Met and being all shocked about it. The point of the books isn’t prurience. I realize however that some people just can’t or don’t want to see the big picture, so I’ll leave you to your merry way.


#126

I’m with you. God Bless You.

I’m 25 and wasn’t much of a reader at the time, so I went through a very mild version, today with all this LGBTQIA stuff and same sex marriage, it’s on steroids.


#127

hahaha, don’t worry, I see the big picture alright, more than you know…

If I were a cocaine dealer with no morals, id be looking for a way to sneak different ‘tastes’ of this drug to kids and young adults, get them while they are young and I have loyal customers for life. Who knows where it could lead, one might even go into politics and end up legalizing the trade.


#128

True. Us Catholics need to stop bowing down to heretics and homosexuals and turn the Church around before it is too late.


#129

Maybe. I also feel like there’s a tendency in our culture today to take something profane and call it “art” or “education” when really it’s just smut. I could easily envision some enlightened professor somewhere taking a cheap pornographic film and developing a college course in which students analyze the skill of the director and the contribution of the genre to women’s liberation. At the end of the day, it’s still a cheap pornographic film and there are better ways to learn about film-making and sociology than by studying junk.


#130

Yea, it’s a lot of capitulation on issues, like they are trying to see how fine they can ride the line on everything. As Ronald Raegan so wisely said, if people continue to back and retreat, then finally we have to face the final ultimatum and what then? when we will have been weakened from within spiritually, morally and economically?

I normally just separate homosexuals and the sexual acts of homosexuality (sodomy), as people will jump on the lack of that distinction to demonize us and it may cause misunderstanding and hurt for fellow faithful Catholics who are same sex attracted and believe in and follow the Churches teachings.

God Bless You


#131

Well, I think that porn producers in the US do actually have their own awards show, similar to the Oscars. I wouldn’t doubt that some professor could turn it into a college course.


#132

Because the ‘classics’ will not get tomorrows youth to support and promote sodomy and same sex marriage.

God Bless


#133

There’s a lot of straight driving the agenda and a lot of homosexuals who seek to live according to the Church. I’ve seen three posts on here to that effect in the last week.

Just don’t fall for the line that homosexuals must support so-called gay “marriage”. That’s what the idenitarian left and its excuse-making allies want you to do—divide people by groupthink.


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