Here why some extremists defend the suicide bombers


#1

news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_4730000/newsid_4739600/bb_wm_4739631.stm

Very interesting & very scary!


#2

If whatever reasons for their violence they are now claiming were to suddenly go away, they would simply come up with some new ones. They are violent people. Period.


#3

Keep you eyes on their stragetic goals. Those have been the same now for 20 years. They will not change. Their demand will change as the situation warrents (and have) but their strategic goals will remain the same (and have).

  1. Restoration of the Caliphate with them as the head (the Caliphate included parts of Eastern Europe, North Africa, the Mid-East, Turkey, Afghanistan, and Spain)

  2. Eventual world-wide embrace of Islam. Historically, people with this military mindset, grew Islam by conquest, from what we can see in Asia and Africa, they intend on doing the same.


#4

[quote=gilliam]Keep you eyes on their stragetic goals. Those have been the same now for 20 years. They will not change. Their demand will change as the situation warrents (and have) but their strategic goals will remain the same (and have).

  1. Restoration of the Caliphate with them as the head (the Caliphate included parts of Eastern Europe, North Africa, the Mid-East, Turkey, Afghanistan, and Spain)

  2. Eventual world-wide embrace of Islam. Historically, people with this military mindset, grew Islam by conquest, from what we can see in Asia and Africa, they intend on doing the same.
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I can’ believe this is what you took out of the interviews! They think they are AT WAR! WE HAVE CONVINCED THEM OF THAT!

As the article I posted by Terry Waite earlier stated, there are undoubtedly elements you describe involved, but the more we refuse to face the real reasons, the more moderates we will allow to become radicalised.


#5

[quote=FightingFat]I can’ believe this is what you took out of the interviews! They think they are AT WAR! WE HAVE CONVINCED THEM OF THAT!

And who started the violence? They did. They provoked us into taking military action by running planes into buildings when we had been very patient after several attacks upon our military people in the ME. THEY WANTED WAR, and brother they’ve got it now!

As the article I posted by Terry Waite earlier stated, there are undoubtedly elements you describe involved, but the more we refuse to face the real reasons, the more moderates we will allow to become radicalised.

We have faced the “real reasons” they are attacking us and provoking military responses. It’s the liberal appeasers who haven’t. We tried appeasement and all it got us was further attacks. Our stopping now and letting them off the hook would only make them think of us as weak, soft targets and provoke in them greater and more daring atrocities.

They are no better than Hitler and his Nazis who started out by saying they only wanted the those parts of other countries they thought theirs. Then when they got them went on to try to conquer all of Europe plus Africa. If we don’t understand how tyrants and bullies think and operate and do something to stop them, we will live in fear and give them just what they want–world domination.
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#6

If we gave in to every single demand of terrorists and removed every one of their objections, we would still have rampant terrorism because we are dealing with a cult of death.

Scott


#7

[quote=FightingFat]I can’ believe this is what you took out of the interviews! They think they are AT WAR! WE HAVE CONVINCED THEM OF THAT!
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Well, we are at war. Denying it will not make it go away. They declared war on us in the 1990s.

1993 Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.

By our actions, we denied we were at war. Notice with the following how each act of the terrorists from then on was an escallation.

1995 Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing five U.S. military servicemen.We denied we were at war.

1996 June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. Thirteen Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.

By our actions, we denied we were at war.

1998 Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. Four men connected with al-Qaeda two of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.

By our actions, we denied we were at war.

2000 Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. Seventeen sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.

By our actions, we denied we were at war.

Then they got our attention, finally, with: 2001 Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed two commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; two more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.)

As the article I posted by Terry Waite earlier stated, there are undoubtedly elements you describe involved, but the more we refuse to face the real reasons, the more moderates we will allow to become radicalised.

The real reason is they want to restore the Caliphate. To do that, there are some tactical things they need to achieve. One is to get all of the West to stop trading and supporting the Mid-East countries that don’t capituate to them. Once we have, they will try an insergency in those countries. Another is to get rid of Israel, they have to retake that land. So the West cannot support Israel in any way (including diplomatically). But these are short term goals towards the eventual long term strategic goal of resoring the Caliphate.


#8

Excellent research on the previous attacks on the United States.


#9

gilliam, your list of reasons only include attacks on America.

The attacks that these people claim as acts of war against their people are earlier:

1982 invasion of Beirut: 10,000 people killed, most civilians.

1980-88: The United States encourages and equips Saddam to fight Iran, and supports his genocidal campaign against Kurds and Shia in Iraq.

1991: Saudi Arabia gets a permanent US military combat presence.

Now tell me…what terrorist attacks on the US spurred those acts of war?


#10

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