High Novus Ordo masses

I am just curious on how many parishes that offer a “high” Novus Orde that only kneel for communion, altar boys and few, if any, EMHCs.? I know the Bishops on the liturgy comittie at the USCCB tried to stamp out kneeling for communion, and sadly there have been some casulties, the most well known is Christendom College in Front Royal VA, and saldy it seems in my diocese, one of the two parishes that still kneel for communion, Holy Cross on Columbus Ohio is now in the process of being forced to stand for communion, though for now it seems my parish, St. Patricks, appears to be safe.

So here is the list.
SS Peter & Paul-Willmington CA
Thomas Aquanis College- Ventura CA
Holy Rosary - Portland OR
Our Lady of Peace- Santa Clara CA
Holy Rosary-Houston TX
Annucation- Houston TX
St. Agnes- Baton Rouge - LA
St. Mary of the Angels- Chicago IL(Opus Dei ran)
St. John Cantius- Chicago IL
St. Agnes- St. Paul MN
St. Joeseph- Detroit MI
Assumption Grotto- Detroit MI
SS Cyrill & Methodius- Sterling Heights MI
St. Joseph- Toldeo OH
and the one I attend St. Patrick Columbus OH.

Now with this list, I am wondering if these parishes that still kneel for communion, and that is Emmanuel- Dayton OH, St. Agnes NY-NY and Holy Ghost Denver CO.

The no kneeling for communion edict from the USCCB can not be viewed as anything else than a violent attack against tradition.

At my parish, most people receive communion in the hand while standing, but there are at least a handful of people who kneel. I have knelt and not received by hand for the last several times because I thought it was very reverent. So, it has been decided that kneeling will no longer be allowed? Anywhere? :frowning:

Well the USCCB comittie on liturgy said that kneeling for communion was illicit, BUT, the Vatican weighed in, and said that people who kneel for communion are not to be denied communion nor are to be considered to be acting in dissent if they choos eto kneel for communion. None the less, some priests and chancery offices took this as another opportunity to stamp out tradition.

You can add St. Victor - West Hollywood, CA to that list although our “altar boys” are actually grown-ups because we don’t have that many children in the congregation. We have an altar rail at which everyone can kneel. I actually cried the first time I received Communion at my Parish because it was such a profound experience.

[quote=JNB]Well the USCCB comittie on liturgy said that kneeling for communion was illicit, BUT, the Vatican weighed in, and said that people who kneel for communion are not to be denied communion nor are to be considered to be acting in dissent if they choos eto kneel for communion. None the less, some priests and chancery offices took this as another opportunity to stamp out tradition.
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So according to the Vatican, it is acceptable for me to kneel? But local priests and chancery offices are defying the Vatican and telling people it is not allowed anyway? How can they get by with it? :confused:

Any in MA???

Here is a Abbey that has a High Novus Ordo Mass:

St. Michael’s Abbey of the Norbertine Fathers, Silverado CA

-in Latin along with chants/polyphony
-sacristy and sanctuary restricted to men only
-kneeling for Communion
-Communion in toungue

for more information: www.abbeynews.net

A parish in Orange County formerly had an indult before the bishop revoked it.

St. Mary’s by the Sea in Huntington Beach, CA

[quote=Cherub]So according to the Vatican, it is acceptable for me to kneel? But local priests and chancery offices are defying the Vatican and telling people it is not allowed anyway? How can they get by with it? :confused:
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Totally acceptable to kneel, no priest can licitly deny you Communion while kneeling.

Many priests, bishops and chancery officals still have an agenda of being for the “spirit of Vatican II” , and it seems they can be quite offended at traditions such as kneeling at the altar rail for communion, and will it seems go far beyond what the actual documents from Rome say. The same thing seems to have taken place when communion in the hand was allowed, it seems many said that what that edict took place in 77, that communion on the tounge was no longer allowed, and we all know that was a lie.

As for parish in MA, I havent heard of any, but I have heard of a parish in Stamford CT that uses the altar rail for communion, and even the high altar, and that is St. John the Evangelist. But again, in light of that horrible comittie decsion by the USCCB, I dont know if that parish uses the altar rail currently.

Some of you should read the GIRM. Communion is to be received standing. The GIRM states that one cannot be refused Communion if kneeling. However, at least be honest enought to read the next sentance; the individual who insists on kneeling to receive is to be counseled privately.

In other words, you are being disobedient, but your disobedience is not grounds to deny you reception.

It is grounds to suggest that you may need to avail yourself of the Sacrament of Reconcilliation.

Don’t forget…

Our Lady of Walsingham Catholic Church, Houston, Texas.

[quote=otm]Some of you should read the GIRM. Communion is to be received standing. The GIRM states that one cannot be refused Communion if kneeling. However, at least be honest enought to read the next sentance; the individual who insists on kneeling to receive is to be counseled privately.

In other words, you are being disobedient, but your disobedience is not grounds to deny you reception.

It is grounds to suggest that you may need to avail yourself of the Sacrament of Reconcilliation.
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Sorry OTM, but Rome shot down part of what the USCCB wanted to do.

adoremus.org/Notitiae-kneeling.html

And here is a highlight

The Congregation in fact is concerned at the number of similar complaints that it has received in recent months from various places, and considers any refusal of Holy Communion to a member of the faithful on the basis of his or her kneeling posture to be a grave violation of one of the most basic rights of the Christian faithful, namely that of being assisted by their Pastors by means of the Sacraments (Codex Iuris Canonici, canon 213). In view of the law that “sacred ministers may not deny the sacraments to those who opportunely ask for them, are properly disposed and are not prohibited by law from receiving them” (canon 843 ¶ 1), there should be no such refusal to any Catholic who presents himself for Holy Communion at Mass, except in cases presenting a danger of grave scandal to other believers arising out of the person’s unrepented public sin or obstinate heresy or schism, publicly professed or declared. Even where the Congregation has approved of legislation denoting standing as the posture for Holy Communion, in accordance with the adaptations permitted to the Conferences of Bishops by the Institutio Generalis Missalis Romani n. 160, paragraph 2, it has done so with the stipulation that communicants who choose to kneel are not to be denied Holy Communion on these grounds.

Sorry JNB, but the quote OTM used is from the Vatican, both in the GIRM and another older document. You can’t be denied for kneeling, but you should be counseled. I’ll find the other quotation as well and get it out. (Too late for me now).

[quote=Flounder]Sorry JNB, but the quote OTM used is from the Vatican, both in the GIRM and another older document. You can’t be denied for kneeling, but you should be counseled. I’ll find the other quotation as well and get it out. (Too late for me now).
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Sorry flounder, you and otm are wrong, nothing come out of the Vatican that made kneeling for communion illicit, the Vatican has made it crystal clear with 3 different letters from the CDW that people who kneel for communion are not to be denited communion nor are to be considered disobidient. The USCCB in reality has no authority, it does not replace the magesterium, it amounts to the equivlent of a trade organization, and Rome over ruled the USCCB on kneeling for communion. Shame on otm for saying kneeling for communion is a mortal sin, shame on him.

Here is another letter from the Vatican on the subject…

ourladyswarriors.org/liturgy/kneeling.htm

And here are the highlights.

**Prot. n. 47 / 03 / L **

**Rome, 26 February 2003 **

**Dear [name deleted], **

**This Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments has received through official channels your letter dated 1 December 2002, related to the application of the norms approved by the Conference of Bishops of the United States of America, with the subsequent recognitio of this Congregation, as regards the question of the posture for receiving Holy Communion. **

**As the authority by virtue of whose recognitio the norm in question has attained the force of law, this Dicastery is competent to specify the manner in which the norm is to be understood for the sake of a proper application. Having received more than a few letters regarding this matter from different locations in the United States of America, the Congregation wishes to ensure that its position on the matter is clear. **

**To this end, it is perhaps useful to respond to your inquiry by repeating the content of a letter that the Congregation recently addressed to a Bishop in the United States of America from whose Diocese a number of pertinent letters had been received. The letter states: “… while this Congregation gave the recognitio to the norm desired by the Bishops’ Conference of your country that people stand for Holy Communion, this was done on the condition that communicants who choose to kneel are not to be denied Holy Communion on these grounds. Indeed, the faithful should not be imposed upon nor accused of disobedience and of acting illicitly when they kneel to receive Holy Communion”. **

**This Dicastery hopes that the citation given here will provide an adequate answer to your letter. At the same time, please be assured that the Congregation remains ready to be of assistance if you should need to contact it again. **

**With every prayerful good wish, I am **

**Sincerely yours in Christ, **

 **Mons. Mario Marini
Undersecretary

**So anyone care to refute that. The faithful Catholics are protected by canon law, a liturgical norm is trumped by canon law. Those who choose to kneel for communion as this latter states are not to be denied communion, nor are they to be accused of being disobidient.

Now back to the pleasant part of this thread, non TLM parishes/masses that use the altar rail for communion.

Oh how can you forget the other St. Agnes in St. Paul?!?! www.stagnes.net These folks have a REAL Novus Ordo High Mass. I find it so funny that most parishes don’t… because they certainly have the resources…

Oh I listed St. Agnes, its a shame that there is not a few of these parishes in every diocese.

I would like to add to the list of parishes that have a high version of the Novus Ordo mass.

can anyone give me legitimate or good reasons why the church allows communion in the hand, mass facing the people, standing to receive communion, and removal of altar rails? if you judge something by its fruits, what are the fruits of these so called VII reforms? i see the fruit being a lack of understanding and respect for the center and summit of the church’s life. if satan was going to sneak into the church, i’m sure he would attack the eucharist first.

I am not exactly sure what you guys are talking about in this thread.

In the Tridentine rite there was such a thing as Solemn High Mass, which was always sung, used incense, and had three ministers (at least) the Celebrant, Deacon, and Sub-Deacon. Now that the sub-diaconate has been supressed by VII, I don’t think it is possible to have Solemn High Mass anymore.

There was also High Mass (Missa Cantata) which was always sung, and had a few ceremonies of the Solemn High Mass. This was always the late Mass, and no-one recieved Holy Communion.

High Mass has a specific meaning, and I don’t think kneeling for Communion really has anything to do with it technically, it’s just something that was swept aside with the liturgical “reforms” of VII.

Is it even proper to speak of a NO “High Mass”, does anything of the sort still exist?

There probably is no such thing, but since the original poster explained exactly what he meant, I just went with the spirit of the thing. :slight_smile:

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