Hitler the "good christian"


#1

a follow up on the argument on a site happening about Hitler. Here’s what the individual said again:

“My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago — a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people." - speech in Munich on 4-22-1922

“For this, to be sure, from the child’s primer down to the last newspaper, every theater and every movie house, every advertising pillar and every billboard, must be pressed into the service of this one great mission, until the timorous prayer of our present parlor patriots: ‘Lord, make us free!’ is transformed in the brain of the smallest boy into the burning plea: ‘Almighty God, bless our arms when the time comes; be just as thou hast always been; judge now whether we be deserving of freedom; Lord, bless our battle!’” - Mein Kampf

“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lords work.” - speech in 1936

“I may not be a light of the church, a pulpiteer, but deep down I am a pious man, and believe that whoever fights bravely in defense of the natural laws framed by God and never capitulates will never be deserted by the Lawgiver, but will, in the end, receive the blessings of Providence.” - speech delivered on 7-5-1944

“National Socialism has always affirmed that it is determined to take the Christian Churches under the protection of the State. For their part the churches cannot for a second doubt that they need the protection of the State, and that only through the State can they be enabled to fulfill their religious mission. Indeed, the churches demand this protection from the State.” - radio broadcast on 7-22-1933"

I have never heard this before, can anyone lend a hand?


#2

Howsoever Hitler started out, he ended in terrible sp;iritual delusion, aka “prelest” in Eastern Christianity.


#3

These are anti-semitic speeches trying to justify in advance to the population the impending holocaust.
There was NOTHING Christian about Hitler.


#4

The Catholic.

Three out of those Five sources were written before Hitler came to Power, or on the base of just obtaining power. Germany was a highly protestant nation with a protestant domination in the north, and Catholic in the south. Hitler would need to convince the majority into voting for him, and a key point at the time was anti-semitism, historical throughout europe.

Mein Kampf was wrote in 1924/1925 after Hitler’s failed attempt at the Munich Revolt, after the Munich Revolt he made a vow to take power by political means, further reinforcing the concept of getting the majority of votes.

“I may not be a light of the church, a pulpiteer, but deep down I am a pious man, and believe that whoever fights bravely in defense of the natural laws framed by God and never capitulates will never be deserted by the Lawgiver, but will, in the end, receive the blessings of Providence.” - speech delivered on 7-5-1944

5th of July 1944, The allies made there progress through Normandy, securing the beacheads successfully. It sounds like Propaganda to inspire zeal of the nation. Note the word ‘defense’.

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#5

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I’d like to give you an article.

answers.org/history/hitquote.html

Some good quotes to use against his assumptions:

The book Hitler’s Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler’s real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler’s Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7) 

10th October, 1941, midday:

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43) 

13th December, 1941, midnight:

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119) 

9th April, 1942, dinner:

There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339) 

27th February, 1942, midday:

It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278) 

Use the quotes you wish, and tell your opponent to understand history and context.

God Bless.

Chris.


#6

Those are excellent quotes. Whatever Hitler may have said to curry favor with the masses, he was no Christian.


#7

Hitler believed himself to be a Christian, but his idea of Christianity was turned on its head.

In his mind, it became a nightmarish mix of superstition and hate, fed by the worst examples from medieval history.


#8

Love is the foundation of Christianity. If our understanding of Christianity is not based on love, then our understanding is incorrect.

There is nothing loving about Hitler.
that is all.

Furthermore, I do not see what this person means about Jesus being a “fighter”… I mean, yes He defeated death and evil, but He did this through dying, not fighting. He didn’t try to save His life, He gave it out of love for us. It is through suffering that He overcame sin and death… it is the great paradox of our faith…
if we are of God and not of the world, we should be like Christ…

fighting evil with evil only creates more evil.
Fighting evil with good leads to victory. But this type of fighting doesn’t look like fighting at all…it’s actually love.


#9

Notice how many of those quotes are public statements. Hitler knew that the German people were Christian. He wouldn’t exactly of tried preaching anti-Christianity in public.

[quote=“Adolf Hitler, as reported by Albert Speer”]You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The [Islamic] religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"
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#10

History can repeatedly demonstrate that Hitler would say or do anything, including sign international treaties, just to get what he wanted with no intention of actually following through on his word or even being sincere.

Hitler is the epitome of the unreliable speaker. He is the greatest liar of the 20th century, right ahead of O.J.


#11

I thought Adolf Hitler was a baptized Austrian Roman Catholic right up to his suicide?

OACAAC


#12

Once baptized, always baptized. It is what you do between baptism and death that matters.

What are you implying? Asserting the that Hitler was a good Catholic and carrying out Catholic wishes and behaved in a manner consistent with Catholic teaching is not only a sick filthy lie.

Your post here just destroyed your credibility here.


#13

Hitler founded the Protestant Reich Church; how could he have been a Catholic or a Christian?


#14

Many thanks


#15

Many thanks


#16

Of course thats what he is implying. His credibility was gone long before that statement. :wink:


#17

And let’s not forget the Nazi version of the Lord’s prayer said by the Hitler Youth that clearly substitutes Hitler for God Himself:
"Adolf Hitler, you are our great Führer. Thy name makes the enemy tremble. Thy Third Reich comes, thy will alone is law upon the earth. Let us hear daily thy voice and order us by thy leadership, for we will obey to the end and even with our lives. We praise thee! Heil Hitler!

"Führer, my Führer, given me by God. Protect and preserve my life for long. You saved Germany in time of need. I thank you for my daily bread. Be with me for a long time, do not leave me, Führer, my Führer, my faith, my light, Hail to my Führer!"
Hitler may have been a Christian, but he was a very bad one indeed.

– Mark L. Chance.


#18

It just goes to show the importance of being knowledgeable about our faith, the Bible, the Catechism, etc. so that we will recognize the lies of clever speakers.

What’s so sad is that Hitler told the world what he was planning in Mein Kampf, but so few people bothered to read it. I read it in 7th grade (in the U.S. back in the late 1960s), and it was an eye-opener for a wide-eyed girl.

I personally think that it should be part of U.S. Political Science curriculum for high schoolers because it demonstrates how words can be twisted by a clever man-devil to make horrific evil sound good.

There are speakers in American politics today who promise the moon and the stars, but when you stop allowing yourself to be hypnotized by their charm and oratory skill, you hear what they are actually saying–death for the unborn, legalized sin, and we citizens will pay for it all with our taxes.


#19

How many catholic religous died in Nazi concentration camps?


#20

Like St. Fr. Maximillian Kobe…
took the place of a Jew sent to die, was martyred by having acid injected into his veins…


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