Holocaust Museum Shooter a Socialist who Hated Christianity, Conservatives, Jews

To clarify: this thread was a thread on the main board before it got buried here by a mod:

Holocaust Museum Shooter was pro-Bush, pro-Palin, pro-Republican, anti-Obama, anti-Federal Govt, anti-Mainstream Media

The online ravings of the man who shot and killed a security guard in Washington’s Holocaust Memorial Museum on June 10th show that he does not fit the description of the “Socialist who Hated Christianity, Conservatives, Jews” that has been portrayed by LifeSiteNews.com.

James W. von Brunn’s Obama is missing!
*There is no Obama documentation – no records – no paper trail – none – this is no accident. It is being done on purpose with Media help…WHY DON’T WE SEE ONE WORD OF THIS IN ANY OF THE MEDIA? … we all remember how the press went to great lengths to find out every move that President Bush made … finally unable to come up with anything factual, so they created it! When their accusations were proven empty, they refused to retract one word of the fraud they perpetrated on the American people…The same Media went to great lengths to scandalize & destroy Sarah Palin. She maintains a 91% approval rating among voters from all parties, thanks to the Internet and investigative journalists who don’t work for the mainstream media… not a word about any of this from the Media. If it were not for the Internet and talk radio, American citizens would become the servants of a dishonest & conspiratorial Media…WHERE ARE THE GOOD PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY - ARE YOU OUT THERE??? *

James W. von Brunn: ‘DO OR DIE!’
"…The ENEMY is at the FED, the networks, Wall Street, Congress; at “Holocaust” memorials, at synagogues…"

**James W. von Brunn’s e-mail on Wyoming court decision: **
Here’s one the mainstream media isn’t going to tell you…(then makes a Pro-State Rights point)

I was dismayed that the news media were mentioning von Brunn’s website and giving his racist rantings free advertisement.

what is wrong with America that even a lunatic trying to kill people in a hateful crime is turned into a right vs. left argument on a Catholic forum?

Catholics, let’s spend more time on our knees and less trying to label people and argue amongst ourselves when we could be praying for the victim and his family.

Fred Phelps is a card-carrying Democrat.

It is high time that people stop making presumptions that such lunatics are somehow associated with the conservative right.

*During the 1992 presidential campaign, Phelps protested Hillary Rodham Clinton during a campaign speech [she gave] in support of the Clinton-Gore ticket at the University of Kansas on October 14, 1992. In Bill Clinton’s second presidential campaign, Phelps and the Westboro church also opposed Clinton and Gore because of the administration’s support for gay rights. The entire Westboro congregation picketed a **1997 *inaugural ball, denouncing Gore as a “famous fag pimp.” In 1998, Westboro picketed the funeral of Gore’s father, screaming vulgarities at Gore and telling him, “your dad’s in Hell.”


But yeah, I agree it is high time that people stop making presumptions… like the GOP IS GOD crowd that claims all Democrats are evil baby-killing abortion doctors…and like you claiming that Fred Phelps is a card-carrying Democrat, and like LifeSiteNews.com claims that the “Holocaust Museum Shooter is a Socialist who Hated Conservatives.” Get real people, look for the Truth. Look toward Christ. Focus on the Vicar of Christ, our Holy Father.

It’s just silly argument ad hominem. The character of the man or his sanity is not his political position. It’s silly for a conservative to point a finger at the left, and not expect the left to do the same thing in the murder of George Tiller, for example.

I’m so sick of the politicizing of this issue. This guy hated liberals and conservatives alike, and had attributes of both “ideologies.” It’s not like there’s one box called conservative and one called liberal and everyone’s in one or the other, so it’s a pointless argument. Bottom line: this guy was delusional, and he is an individual not representative of either party. Even some of the beliefs he had that are shared by others (socialism etc.) were believe for different reasons – he’s not a socialist because he wants to help everyone succeed, which is the typical but IMO misguided liberal position, he’s a socialist because he wants HIS people to be taken care of while the government has the right to kick out “foreigners” to their “own” countries. So this whole argument just encourages more anger and hatred, instead of addressing the issues of racism, which can be seen on both sides of the political spectrum.

It’s a shame this debate is detracting from the real tragedy - how about what both sides agree on is that what happened is terrible and we must do more to discourage such views.

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