Holy Days of Obligations


#1

Since I’m not confirmed yet, I didn’t have to go to the All Saint’s Day Mass yesterday, right?

Now after I get confirmed, I will have to go to the Immaculate day to Mass on Dec. 8, right?


#2

[quote=Paris Blues]Since I’m not confirmed yet, I didn’t have to go to the All Saint’s Day Mass yesterday, right?

Now after I get confirmed, I will have to go to the Immaculate day to Mass on Dec. 8, right?
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Paris, as I’ve observed many of your posts, I think you have essentially become Catholic by intent and should be living under the obligations required by all Catholics. The fact that you can’t recieve the sacraments is the same for those Catholics who can’t recieve the sacraments (as in living under an invalid Marriage). Thus, you probably should have gone to Mass. Talk to your Priest about this for more clarification based on where you really are with regards to whether or not you are Catholic by intent.


#3

[quote=Paris Blues]Since I’m not confirmed yet, I didn’t have to go to the All Saint’s Day Mass yesterday, right?

Now after I get confirmed, I will have to go to the Immaculate day to Mass on Dec. 8, right?
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Actually If I were your Pastor or RCIA director I would consider how you handled the Holy Day Obligation of Catholics. Remember that the period of Formation is to be used to learn the practice of the Catholic Faith and incorporate Catholic practice into you own life. I feel that anyone not willing to live as a Catholic and looking for excuses for not attending Mass is not really ready to become Catholic. Maybe a little more “practice” at living the Catholic Faith is in order?


#4

[quote=Paris Blues]Since I’m not confirmed yet, I didn’t have to go to the All Saint’s Day Mass yesterday, right?

Now after I get confirmed, I will have to go to the Immaculate day to Mass on Dec. 8, right?
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I suppose, technically speaking, you didn’t have to attend All Saint’s Day Mass, but I am disturbed by your choice of words here.

You “have to” go? :eek:

Why not: “when will I have the privilege” (to be considered a Catholic and entitled to full access to the Sacraments, especially the Eucharist which are celebrated in a special way on holy days of obligation), instead? :confused:


#5

Oops, sorry.

Well, I know that you HAVE TO go if you’re a Catholic and you’re right, I shouldn’t have put it like that.

I guess what I’m trying to say is, if I don’t have to go (being a candidate in RCIA) then I wont. If I do HAVE TO , then I will but no one said so that “if you’re in RCIA, you have to come!” Now if I heard that you are encouraged to come if in RCIA, then maybe I would.

See, recieving the Eucharist means that one is 100% FULLY Catholic in my personal opinion! I don’t consider myself 100% therefore, I wouldn’t assume I would need to go because of that fact there. Once I get Confirmed, I will go to all the days that I need to go!


#6

[quote=Br. Rich SFO]Actually If I were your Pastor or RCIA director I would consider how you handled the Holy Day Obligation of Catholics. Remember that the period of Formation is to be used to learn the practice of the Catholic Faith and incorporate Catholic practice into you own life. I feel that anyone not willing to live as a Catholic and looking for excuses for not attending Mass is not really ready to become Catholic. Maybe a little more “practice” at living the Catholic Faith is in order?
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That’s true.

Now I remember our RCIA instructor back in July telling all of us to come to Mass! But he didn’t say, come to Holy Days. But I assumed only Sunday Mass.

I’ll ask him when I see him Sunday.


#7

[quote=Paris Blues]Oops, sorry.

Well, I know that you HAVE TO go if you’re a Catholic and you’re right, I shouldn’t have put it like that.

I guess what I’m trying to say is, if I don’t have to go (being a candidate in RCIA) then I wont. If I do HAVE TO , then I will but no one said so that “if you’re in RCIA, you have to come!” Now if I heard that you are encouraged to come if in RCIA, then maybe I would.

See, recieving the Eucharist means that one is 100% FULLY Catholic in my personal opinion! I don’t consider myself 100% therefore, I wouldn’t assume I would need to go because of that fact there. Once I get Confirmed, I will go to all the days that I need to go!
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You’ve got the wrong idea here, but I’m glad it’s for reasons of scrupulosity and not from trying to do as little as possible. Anyone may attend Mass–anyone at all. You could most certainly have attended All Saints’ Day Mass, but you would not have received the Eucharist. You could have simply have stayed in your pew while others went up for communion (and no one would have thought anything bad about for doing so–there are many reasons why Catholics do not receive and receiving is not required even of Catholics) or gone up to receive a blessing from the priest (by folding your arms across your chest and bowing). So, go to any and all Masses you care to attend–it’s perfectly fine.


#8

[quote=Paris Blues]Since I’m not confirmed yet, I didn’t have to go to the All Saint’s Day Mass yesterday, right?

Now after I get confirmed, I will have to go to the Immaculate day to Mass on Dec. 8, right?
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Don’t look at is as an obligation, but as an opportunity. Change your mindset, and everything makes more sense…


#9

[quote=Della]You’ve got the wrong idea here, but I’m glad it’s for reasons of scrupulosity and not from trying to do as little as possible. Anyone may attend Mass–anyone at all. You could most certainly have attended All Saints’ Day Mass, but you would not have received the Eucharist. You could have simply have stayed in your pew while others went up for communion (and no one would have thought anything bad about for doing so–there are many reasons why Catholics do not receive and receiving is not required even of Catholics) or gone up to receive a blessing from the priest (by folding your arms across your chest and bowing). So, go to any and all Masses you care to attend–it’s perfectly fine.
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Oops! Now I feel guilty!

I’m probably going to have to confess this too! I committed a mortal sin!

…but then again, there goes my scrupulous garbage again! sigh


#10

[quote=Paris Blues]Oops, sorry.

Well, I know that you HAVE TO go if you’re a Catholic and you’re right, I shouldn’t have put it like that.

I guess what I’m trying to say is, if I don’t have to go (being a candidate in RCIA) then I wont. If I do HAVE TO , then I will but no one said so that “if you’re in RCIA, you have to come!” Now if I heard that you are encouraged to come if in RCIA, then maybe I would.

See, recieving the Eucharist means that one is 100% FULLY Catholic in my personal opinion! I don’t consider myself 100% therefore, I wouldn’t assume I would need to go because of that fact there. Once I get Confirmed, I will go to all the days that I need to go!
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To be honest, I’m still a bit bothered by your choice of words—but since you are otherwise so gung-ho, I’ll try to give you the benefit of the doubt.

You should be observing Catholic obligations even though you are still in formation—becoming Catholic is a process, and wanting to observe the obligations is part of that. Your attitude, at least as expressed, seems to be “it’s a hard thing to do (or at least something that I may not want to do), so I won’t do it until I have to”. Nor do you have to partake of communion (obviously you can’t yet) to attend Mass. The attitude that looks for the minimum amount of effort expended is not indicative of a life growing in holiness—don’t settle for a legalistic, minimalist faith, but put out into the deep. Go to Mass even if you can’t take communion. You can still participate in the prayers, readings, and hymns, and be learning the body postures as well.


#11

[quote=Paris Blues]Oops, sorry.

Well, I know that you HAVE TO go if you’re a Catholic and you’re right, I shouldn’t have put it like that.

I guess what I’m trying to say is, if I don’t have to go (being a candidate in RCIA) then I wont. If I do HAVE TO , then I will but no one said so that “if you’re in RCIA, you have to come!” Now if I heard that you are encouraged to come if in RCIA, then maybe I would.

See, recieving the Eucharist means that one is 100% FULLY Catholic in my personal opinion! I don’t consider myself 100% therefore, I wouldn’t assume I would need to go because of that fact there. Once I get Confirmed, I will go to all the days that I need to go!
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But you are a Baptized Catholic now, so you need to go to Sunday Mass and attend all the Holy Days of Obligation…so, yes you should have attended.


#12

[quote=Paris Blues]Oops! Now I feel guilty!

I’m probably going to have to confess this too! I committed a mortal sin!

…but then again, there goes my scrupulous garbage again! sigh
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No, you’re not guilty of a mortal sin because you didn’t understand your obligations at your stage of formation, that’s all. :wink:

But, now that you do know, be sure to attend Sunday Mass and Masses of obligation. Like someone else cited, it will be good for you to learn what you are to do during Mass as well as partake in the prayer life of the Church during its various seasons.


#13

[quote=Paris Blues]Oops, sorry.

Well, I know that you HAVE TO go if you’re a Catholic and you’re right, I shouldn’t have put it like that.

I guess what I’m trying to say is, if I don’t have to go (being a candidate in RCIA) then I wont. If I do HAVE TO , then I will but no one said so that “if you’re in RCIA, you have to come!” Now if I heard that you are encouraged to come if in RCIA, then maybe I would.

See, recieving the Eucharist means that one is 100% FULLY Catholic in my personal opinion! I don’t consider myself 100% therefore, I wouldn’t assume I would need to go because of that fact there. Once I get Confirmed, I will go to all the days that I need to go!
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Once you are a Catholic you are obliged to go to Mass even if you are not receiving the Eucharist.
As you are about to become a Catholic I would have thought you would be wanting to attend Mass even though you don’t have to and certainly after becoming Catholic you shouldn’t be thinking about attending the bare minimum requirements. You could go to more than one Mass each week, time permitting.
I was a Methodist before becoming Catholic, and before becoming Catholic I attended Mass each Sunday for 10 years with my Catholic wife even though I didn’t have to and at that time it wasn’t even my intention to join the Church. In your case why do you only want to do what you have to? Don’t you want to totally immerse yourself in all aspects of the true Church, even though you can’t yet receive Communion?


#14

[quote=Paris Blues]Oops! Now I feel guilty!

I’m probably going to have to confess this too! I committed a mortal sin!

…but then again, there goes my scrupulous garbage again! sigh
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Well no you were not obligated as a Catholic would be. But you should be using this time to practice being a Catholic and acting as a Catholic would.


#15

I thought that the rule was that you’re not obligated to go to mass on holy days of obligation (including Sundays) until after your first reconciliation - which I think you said would be on Nov 18th, so you’re fine for all Saints. At least, first reconciliation is the rule for ‘cradle Catholics’ baptised in infancy and usually making their first reco at 7 years old. It might be different for adults.

In Australia, all Saints day isn’t a holy day of obligation anyway. That’s quite strange, I thought that the church would be in universal agreement on these things. What if a USA citizen was on holidays in Australia on all Saints Day, would they have to go to mass? What about the other way around?

PS, stop saying that everything you do is a mortal sin. I’m pretty sure that if you commit a mortal sin, you will know it at the time, because a couple of the conditions of a mortal sin are that you know that it is wrong and you do it deliberately and with free consent. Since neither of those applied here (you didn’t know that it was wrong, even if it is wrong, which I’m not sure about, and also, you missed mass by accident not on purpose), then it is not a mortal sin and shouldn’t be called a mortal sin. Be a bit more scrupulous about these things (-:

But honestly, God doesn’t want us to feel guilty when we haven’t done wrong.


#16

I’m in RCIA and I attended mass. The way I look at is that I’m going to be Catholic I need to start acting one as best as possible and getting use to the idea. Although I didn’t go to the one in August although I wasn’t in RCIA yet nor was I sure when the dates were. I’m still learning.

I think part of really making an informed choice about Catholicism is to participate in Catholic life. So, I’m kind of immersing myself going to a Catholic service every sunday etc. I actaully enjoy the mass even though I cannot receive.

It is hard a bit though. Sometimes I wish I could participate in reconcilation. Because there are areas in my life I want cleaned up. And then I feel guilty and I try to say I’m sorry but worry about the whole mortal sin thing. There is a particular habit of mine that is bad, and I need to overcome.

I’m really not being scrupulous when I say this sin needs to be overcome. I’m hoping prayer and penance and having to really hold my soul accountable well help me overcome this bad habit. With Christ’s help of course! But the way I think right now is God knows I’m in the process of being Catholic and so I’m doing what I have to do. I’m sure God and I will work this out.

I really wouldn’t look at the feast days as a “I have to do this.” Look at them as something that is a good thing because its a community time to celebrate something God did. Either himself or through someone else.


#17

[quote=bekalc]I’m in RCIA and I attended mass. The way I look at is that I’m going to be Catholic I need to start acting one as best as possible and getting use to the idea. Although I didn’t go to the one in August although I wasn’t in RCIA yet nor was I sure when the dates were. I’m still learning.

I think part of really making an informed choice about Catholicism is to participate in Catholic life. So, I’m kind of immersing myself going to a Catholic service every sunday etc. I actaully enjoy the mass even though I cannot receive.

It is hard a bit though. Sometimes I wish I could participate in reconcilation. Because there are areas in my life I want cleaned up. And then I feel guilty and I try to say I’m sorry but worry about the whole mortal sin thing. There is a particular habit of mine that is bad, and I need to overcome.
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Bekalc, I totally agree that once you admit and profess that you are ready to be Catholic that you need to begin to act and worship Catholic. And while you “enjoy” Mass now, you might not always enjoy Mass. You will have dry periods of faith whereby the Holy Spirit will be working harder and your attendence at Mass will “grease the skids” and make God’s efforts easier. Sometimes, you will leave Mass with a feeling of ecstacy when you experience profoundly the Love of God. Also, sometimes the Mass will be torture as it opens old wounds that have been barriers for you to fully experience the Love of God. But always, it will be giving you Graces that prepare and strengthen you for your journey and the battle against the evil one.

Although a cradle Catholic, I’ve been in your position of not being able to participate in the Sacraments so I have great empathy for budding converts. I married my wife 20 years ago in a civil ceremony. She had been married before and had started the annulment process twice but stopped because she was emotionally unprepared to deal with the past. I married her as I loved her and knew that she ultimately would find the courage to finish the annulment process. As I had researched the criteria for an annulment, I was fully confident that her first marriage was not sacramental and in the end the process confirmed my research. However, for 5 years, I was obligated to “fast” from the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist. During this fasting period, I was tormented by my fear that I could lose eternal salvation. Because of the tender counsel of my Pastor, during this period of fasting, monthly (or so) I would consciously do an examination of conscience, said an Act of Contrition, and then did a conscious dedicated corporal work of mercy/charity as penance. My Pastor said that while the Church was not able to recognize the forgiveness of my sins, he told me to hope and trust in the mercy of God. Additionally, when I was at Mass, I said the Spiritual Communion Prayer (I can’t believe I can’t recall it as it was once as common to me as the Hail Mary but I know you can find it on the Web) and went up for the blessing from the Priest (I always made sure I was in the line of the Priest and not the EMHC even though he assured me that the blessing of the EMHC was equally effective).

God Bless you as you continue on the RCIA process and you ultimately experience a conversion that will last for all eternity.


#18

Paris, God bless you on your journey, for seeking answers and following Gods path for you. Your heart is in the right place and God delights in that. We all make mistakes, let us praise God for his compassion and love.

May God continue to bless you.


#19

[quote=thistle]Once you are a Catholic you are obliged to go to Mass even if you are not receiving the Eucharist.
As you are about to become a Catholic I would have thought you would be wanting to attend Mass even though you don’t have to and certainly after becoming Catholic you shouldn’t be thinking about attending the bare minimum requirements. You could go to more than one Mass each week, time permitting.
I was a Methodist before becoming Catholic, and before becoming Catholic I attended Mass each Sunday for 10 years with my Catholic wife even though I didn’t have to and at that time it wasn’t even my intention to join the Church. In your case why do you only want to do what you have to? Don’t you want to totally immerse yourself in all aspects of the true Church, even though you can’t yet receive Communion?
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Thanks guys for “opening” my “eyes” to see where I really am standing! See, I THOUGHT I was being faithful and thought I was needing everything I need to know what it was like being a faithful pre-Catholic but I didn’t realize that I was NOT being so faithful and willing when you told me that I should have gone to these Masses!

Yes, I would LOVE to know everything there is to be a faithful good Catholic but I just realized that I wasn’t be so faithful as I would have liked to be.
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