Homosexual temptation vs homosexual lust

Regarding the topic of homosexual temptation and homosexual lust, the way I understand it from Jesus’ example that a man having lustful thoughts of a women is committing adultery.

In the same vein, a person having lustful thoughts for another person of the same sex is guilty of homosexual sex.

BTW, my intention is to not demean anyone as I have suffered from SSA and now struggle with adulterous thoughts, which is a mortal sin. However, I don’t feel like minimizing my sin or others will get us on the path of healing from Jesus Christ. We are called to recognize and confess our sins in order to be healed. Paz.

What is the difference between temptation and lust?

Excellent point.

Temptation is not a sin. Lusting is.

Christ was tempted, but did not sin.

The entire issue of temptation and lust is not exclusive to homosexuality . It poses the same issues for heterosexuals. Being homosexual is no more sinful than being heterosexual. Both can be fornicators, and both can be chaste.

The desire of homosexuality may be disordered, but only if acted upon is it sinful.

So, as a noun homosexual is no issue, but as a verb there is an issue.

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  1. Furthermore, the occasion in which Christ took the side of the woman caught in adultery and defended her from being stoned to death is most significant. He said to the accusers: “Whoever of you is without sin, let him throw the first stone” (Jn 3:7). When they put down the stones and went away, he said to the woman: “Go, and from now on, sin no more” (Jn 8:11). Therefore, Christ clearly identified adultery with sin. On the other hand, when he turned to those who wanted to stone the adulteress, he did not refer to the precepts of Israel’s law but exclusively to conscience. The discernment between right and wrong engraved on the human conscience can show itself to be deeper and more correct than the content of a norm.

I hesitate to comment on this issue for fear of being a supreme hypocrite. One normally will not commit physical adultery without the desire in the first place. A practical application on heart adultery means if the opportunity presented itself the man would commit adultery with the desired female as opposed to fleeing as did Joseph in Genesis 39. That involved repeated attempts by the wife to get Joseph to lie with her. She had to be a beautiful female but even if she was not, Joseph as a slave, could have coveted property through her. Get in good with the wife, get rid of hubby, makes for a big payday.

Men are visually stimulated and females don’t always dress modestly and porn is all over the internet. I try to not gawk at females and think in terms of their best interest along with prayer. There is definite room for improvement. The difference between heart adultery and actual is the latter involves two persons. That means i would be causing another female to sin which is not in her best interest so in that sense it is worse. Certainly not representing Jesus Christ to her.

Is adultery synonymous with sex?

Is it adulterous to have lustful thoughts of a woman if neither person is married?

If you can distinguish, at least in theory, temptation from lust, that is good.

SSA, which is not sinful may gives rise to temptations, which are not sinful. If one luxuriates on those, that is lust, and is sinful.

Opposite sex attraction, which is not sinful, may give rise to temptations, which are not sinful. If one luxuriates on those, that is lust, and is sinful.

I think you should contemplate this passage:

*But I say to you, everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart. *

With all due respect God did not create homosexual desire, nor is there anything in science that can support the claim that homosexual is biological. It is psychological like all other sins.

You are right, there is so much temptation out there now it is not difficult to fail.

Nonetheless, it would appear from Jesus own words lustful thoughts is the equivalent of physical adultery.

For many, including myself at times, this would appear to be an unrealistic commandment but if we really want to grow and be healed we have to have the courage to look at our weaknesses.

In the case of a young man struggling with this I would suggest that they ask God for a wife so that their sexual desires are used for the glory of God.

Lust in one’s mind is the equivalent of physical adultery according to Jesus:

*But I say to you, everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart. *

I will add that SSA is not normal nor created by God.

I agree it is not normal (though that’s a loaded word meaning different things to different people) and I’m not sure I understand what the rest of your statement means, but it does not seem to bear on the topic.

But if you agree with my prior post, is there anything more to debate on this thread?

That doesn’t remotely answer my question.

It does if you contemplate what Jesus is saying. Paz.

But how does this address the difference between temptation and lust, which is what Joie asked…

I asked you “What is the difference between temptation and lust?” Besides even if I asked it generally that passage still does not suffice as giving a passage saying “lust is as immoral as adultery” does not at all tell me what the difference between temptation and lust.

I want to know what you think the difference is between temptation and lust, not be given a sort of tangentially related passage.

Regarding sexual lust, here is the Catechism’s definition:

2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual
pleasure.

Here is the definition of lust per the Catholic Encyclopedia.

newadvent.org/cathen/09438a.htm

Since we know that sin starts with temptation, which is not a sin, there is a point where the thoughts that come from temptation can become lust, and from Jesus’ quote it is clear it is due to the active desire on our part.

Define what qualifies as “active desire” for gay people.

The action of “active desire”, for lack of a better term, should not be different for any particular sin. It is the point where we fall to temptation and sin in God’s eyes, even if only in our thoughts.

I think contemplating Jesus quote is very helpful in distinguishing the difference between temptation and lust.

To sin requires one to give in to a temptation. As a practical matter, some difficulty may arise in determining whether the temptation was recognised, assessed and then rejected without sin, or whether it was assented to for a time. Scrupulous people suffer a deal of anguish over this kind of issue, and may be inclined to view the mere arising of temptation as sin.

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