Homosexuality "welcomed" by nuns

“All Are Welcome” Loretto Welcomes Jeannine Gramick SL
by Maureen Fiedler SL
Interchange Newsletter

    For me, the most compelling symbol of the day came early. On the road in front of the Motherhouse, two men walked and talked quietly, holding hands. They obviously felt at home, accepted, welcomed.

    Within minutes, the opening hymm of the Eucharist burst forth: "All are welcome...All are welcome in this place..." It was sung with such power that it seemed it could be heard from Louisville to Lexington. Indeed, I thought with pride, all *are* welcome.

   This day, June 26th, Loretto members joined more that 60 other guests to celebrate Jeannine Gramick's incorporation into Loretto. Those who have been part of Jeannine's ministry, gay men and lesbians and the parents of gays and lesbians, joined sisters from Jeannine's former SSND community and scores of others for a Eucharist followed by a festive dinner and party. The celebrant was Bishop Leroy Matthiesen, retired Bishop of Amarillo, Texas. 

  The service focused on four major influences in Jeannine's life. Amy Stenson, former Loretto volunteer at New Ways Ministry and co-member in process, talked about Jeannine's family, especially the inspiration of her father who passed away earlier this year. Marie DeChantal Haigley SSND briefly recounted Jeannine's 40 years as an SSND, expressing both sadness and good wishes for Jeannine in Loretto. Frank DeBernardo, executive director of New Ways Ministry, told how a gay man, Dominic Bash, challenged Jeannine in 1971 with a question that led to her lifelong ministry, "What is the Church doing for my gay brothers and sisters?" Mary Ann Coyle SL told of Jeannine's love for Loretto. 

 Mary Catherine Rabbitt SL officiated at Jeannine's vows and recieved them in the name of the community- to sustained applause. 

After the liturgy, guests gathered for dinner in a rainbow-decorated room. After great homespun entertainment, Jeannine invited out-of-town guests to say why they came. One couple with three gay sons said they felt "alone" in the Church until they met Jeannine- someone who finally understood. 

A Maryknoll sister thanked Jeannine for her books because they had been very helpful in dealing with gay/lesbian issues in the Philippines. 

A lesbian couple testified that they are committed Catholics today because Jeannine welcomed and affirmed them in a Church where they had felt rejected.

 All the stories caught the theme of the day: "All are welcome..." in Jeannine's heart and in Loretto.

My questions: How is it that these sisters are still considered “in good standing” as a religious order? Why does the Church allow such dissent in a religious order? It doesn’t make any sense to me… :confused:

[quote=pro-life_teen]My questions: How is it that these sisters are still considered “in good standing” as a religious order? Why does the Church allow such dissent in a religious order? It doesn’t make any sense to me… :confused:
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You got me:confused: You might want to ask Katherine2 she seems to be in with that kind of thing:rolleyes:

[quote=pro-life_teen]My questions: How is it that these sisters are still considered “in good standing” as a religious order? Why does the Church allow such dissent in a religious order? It doesn’t make any sense to me… :confused:
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pro-life teen,
It was a big eye-opener the first time I realized it, but the religous orders, particularly the women’s orders are just chock-full of dissenters who throw a Catholic patina over just about anything. They have learned that most of our bishops lask that critical part of the anatomy known as SPINE, and won’t do a thing. Incidentally, these are the same orders that are positively drying up and not attracting any vocations. The SSND (School Sisters of Notre Dame) are just such an order. There are still good people in such orders, but they are becoming fewer and farther between. 90% of the women’s orders belong to something called the Leadership Conference of Women’s Religious. By and large, all the dying orders can be found there, very few still wear the habit, and radical feminism has heavily penetrated that group. The other 10% belong to the Council of Major Superiors of Women Religious. They generally wear habits, are much younger, and have growing orders like the Dominican Sisters of St. Cecilia in Nashville and the Missionaries of Charity (Mother Theresa’s group). They are also faithful to the magisterium and the Pope. Read Ungodly Rage by Donna Steichen to get a real eye-opener. The men’s orders are a mixed bag. The Jesuits have become somewhat infamous of late, but I have known good Jesuits too (Mitch Pacwa and John Hardon come to mind). Hope that helps.

This was a huge shocker to me, and I couldn’t believe how practiacally no one else knew about it, or at least didn’t seem to care- WHAT’S GOING ON!?!? (my rant for the day) I love the Catholic Church so much, but it seems like everyday more and more dissent grows WITHIN itself.

I was talking to my friend about this, and we both agreed that the Church was undergoing sort of a Purgatory (a purification by fire) and would be split but in the end, the (real) Church would remain much stronger than before.

Why don’t the Bishops DO something? Its so frusturating!

Every time I see liberated nuns, priests, or bishops involved with dissident groups that spin homosexual conduct in such a way as to legitimize it and make it virtuous I can’t help but wonder if their interest is more than “academic”…

I have started a thread on another one of these orders(Benedictine Sisters of Erie PA), who were swept up by the feminist ideology forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=34889

Incidentaly, I have one of these such Monasteries in my diocese, when since the 60’s(when they were actually quite vibrant in their apostolate) have had their numbers cut by more than half and practically no new vocations entering. Of course no one in an official Church position acknowledges this fact, but the numbers speak it self.

And judging by this picture, they are a declining number of aging hippies who want little to do with John Paul II’s new evangelization. I must say it is quite sad.

http://www.eriebenedictines.org/Photos5/vows04/vows.jpg

These are Erie Bendictines, from off their own website eriebenedictines.org/

By the way, I’m not one of those rad-trads who blame everything bad or “un-traditional” that has happened since 1958 squarely on Vatican II, or on every pope since John XXIII.

[quote=Catholic29]I have started a thread on another one of these orders(Benedictine Sisters of Erie PA), who were swept up by the feminist ideology forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=34889

Incidentaly, I have one of these such Monasteries in my diocese, when since the 60’s(when they were actually quite vibrant in their apostolate) have had their numbers cut by more than half and practically no new vocations entering. Of course no one in an official Church position acknowledges this fact, but the numbers speak it self.

And judging by this picture, they are a declining number of aging hippies who want little to do with John Paul II’s new evangelization. I must say it is quite sad.

http://www.eriebenedictines.org/Photos5/vows04/vows.jpg

These are Erie Bendictines, from off their own website eriebenedictines.org/

By the way, I’m not one of those rad-trads who blame everything bad or “un-traditional” that has happened since 1958 squarely on Vatican II, or on every pope since John XXIII.
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Indeed, the self absorbed progressives still protesting H.V. and claiming the next pope will change this or that. The Church is still here and many of them are long gone.

Remember, that which is not of God will pass away. ALL, and I mean ALL of these orders are drying up and not replenishing their numbers. They are all getting older and more marginal in the church. The newer orders and those older orders that have retained their fidelity to the church are all getting younger and are exploding with vocations. Several have had to expand their priories because there was simply no room for all the vocations coming in. Postulants are sleeping on the floor in some places. If you want to feel good about where the church is going with its religious orders, go to the following page:

cmswr.org/

Just modern day lepers is all I see. Better not get near them, you might catch it as well.:frowning:

I read an interesting book. “Unveiled” that profiled a number of religious orders. As many have said there was an upsurge of rebellion in the 1960s and 70s that mirrored greater society. Many of the sisters left but many who stayed were determined to walk to a different drummer.

FWIW the more traditional orders the cloistered and those who wear the habit are growing and the wild and crazy ones are circling the drain.

Lisa N

[quote=pro-life_teen]My questions: How is it that these sisters are still considered “in good standing” as a religious order? Why does the Church allow such dissent in a religious order? It doesn’t make any sense to me… :confused:
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Well, because this is part of the crisis IN the CHURCH. Good thing is that these ultra liberal orders such as Maryknoll, Notre Dame sisters, Loretto sisiers, Mercy sisters, St. Agnes sisters, etc have almost NO vocations and the maen age is over 60. The more traditional faithful to the church ones(as priests too) have LOTS of vocations: such as the Sisters of life(Great!) The Franciscan Sisters of the Renewal(great!) the Dominican Sisters of Mary Mother of the Eucharist, etc. If the liberal orders average age is 60 and over, imagine 20 years from now??:eek: . Yup! This is actually good news.

[quote=fix]Indeed, the self absorbed progressives still protesting H.V. and claiming the next pope will change this or that. The Church is still here and many of them are long gone.
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Hummm, the habit?? Or are these part of women in corporate America today?

(Homosexuality and the bible.)

In the Summer of 1991 neurobiologist (Simon LeVay) introduced the world to the possibility of homosexuality being biological.

LeVay claimed to have found a differince in the hypothalamas part of the brain structure between gay and strait men.

The hypothalamas is a small area of the brain that is near the pituitary gland which is at the base of the brain.

The fact that homosexual behavior is observed across the animal kingdom indicates that for humans,(it is not merely a choice based on sinful tendencies.)

It is a natural byproduct of evolutionary process as is hetrosexuality.

Would not God’s word be better served thrue understandin rather than condemnation???

[quote=Perry5](Homosexuality and the bible.)

In the Summer of 1991 neurobiologist (Simon LeVay) introduced the world to the possibility of homosexuality being biological.

LeVay claimed to have found a differince in the hypothalamas part of the brain structure between gay and strait men.

The hypothalamas is a small area of the brain that is near the pituitary gland which is at the base of the brain.

The fact that homosexual behavior is observed across the animal kingdom indicates that for humans,(it is not merely a choice based on sinful tendencies.)

It is a natural byproduct of evolutionary process as is hetrosexuality.

Would not God’s word be better served thrue understandin rather than condemnation???
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That is a load of caca, homosexuality is an affliction, but not biological. All those subject had HIV/AIDS and the testing was not done too well from what I read. Heck, Levay himself said that people misinerpreted his work.

Same sex attractions is a curable, psychological/emotional disorder, that IS a choice. NO different than any other addiction you have to acknowledge it and CHOOSE to want to change. Herein lies the good news, there is hope for homosexuals, spiritually, emotionally, and physically, to lead normal lives. they should embrace it.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Peace of the lord be with you!

(Homosexuality and the bible.)

In the Summer of 1991 neurobiologist (Simon LeVay) introduced the world to the possibility of homosexuality being biological.

LeVay claimed to have found a differince in the hypothalamas part of the brain structure between gay and strait men.

The hypothalamas is a small area of the brain that is near the pituitary gland which is at the base of the brain.

The fact that homosexual behavior is observed across the animal kingdom indicates that for humans,(it is not merely a choice based on sinful tendencies.)

It is a natural byproduct of evolutionary process as is hetrosexuality.

Would not God’s word be better served thrue understandin rather than condemnation???

Nobody is condemning anybody, but through understanding God’s word, you will find it condemns homosexual acts.

Romans 1: 24-27, 24 Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 And the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.

usccb.org/nab/bible/romans/romans1.htm

I think the scripture is quite clear and self exclamitory, its up to you if you want to accept it or not. And thats far from the only Bible passage that teaches contrary to homosexuality.

Besides two of the same gender biologically are unable to procreate with one another, unless of course you go with surrogate motherhood or sperm donation. Then that opens up a whole host of other moral ramifications, none of which are in agreement with the core of Catholic teaching.

[quote=Catholic29]Nobody is condemning anybody, but through understanding God’s word, you will find it condemns homosexual acts.

usccb.org/nab/bible/romans/romans1.htm

I think the scripture is quite clear and self exclamitory, its up to you if you want to accept it or not. And thats far from the only Bible passage that teaches contrary to homosexuality.

Besides two of the same gender biologically are unable to procreate with one another, unless of course you go with surrogate motherhood or sperm donation. Then that opens up a whole host of other moral ramifications, none of which are in agreement with the core of Catholic teaching.
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And yet the scriptures were written by a people who still believed that the world was square and that iff they ventured to far into the sea they woul;d fall of a mythological waterfall into infifnty.

[quote=TheGarg]That is a load of caca, homosexuality is an affliction, but not biological. All those subject had HIV/AIDS and the testing was not done too well from what I read. Heck, Levay himself said that people misinerpreted his work.
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I agree that his study was erroronous.

Same sex attractions is a curable, psychological/emotional disorder, that IS a choice. NO different than any other addiction you have to acknowledge it and CHOOSE to want to change. Herein lies the good news, there is hope for homosexuals, spiritually, emotionally, and physically, to lead normal lives. they should embrace it.

I disagree on this part. SSA can be from biological roots and or for reasons outside of the persons scope. Where I do agree is the choice part, they have a choice to act on their SSA. As for living normal lives, never. Sure they can get married, have kids, and jump thru hoops, but in the end they will be carring that cross.

(Prisoners.)

We are all prisoners of our braina,brain chemistry,body body chemistry and genetic make up.

Much of what we grow to be is determined at birth.

[quote=Perry5]In the Summer of 1991 neurobiologist (Simon LeVay) introduced the world to the possibility of homosexuality being biological.
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No, he didn’t. A possible biological or genetic cause for homosexuality has long been theorized. The interesting thing is this: Such causation has never been demonstrated. Those who attempted to use LeVay’s study to prove homosexuality is not primarily caused by psychological factors failed. LeVay’s study suffered from methodological flaws and, in short, actually proved nothing.

[quote=Perry5]And yet the scriptures were written by a people who still believed that the world was square and that iff they ventured to far into the sea they woul;d fall of a mythological waterfall into infifnty.
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Ignoring the fact that your characterization of the Bible’s authors is quite wrong, it is also irrelevant. Thomas Jefferson owned slaves. Does that mean he was in error when he wrote that all people are created equal? If Albert Einstein had been a Nazi, would that mean that E doesn’t equal M C squared?

Before accusing others of being wrong or illogical, you’d do well to check the accuracy and logic of your own statements.

– Mark L. Chance.

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