House declares ISIS committing genocide against Christians, other minorities


#1

foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/15/house-declares-isis-committing-genocide-against-christians-other-minorities.html


The resolution was voted on ahead of a congressionally mandated March 17 deadline for Secretary of State John Kerry and the White House to make a decision on whether to make such a declaration. The measure is an effort to force the administration’s hand on the issue, as the administration has so far declined to take an official position.

Never again?


#2

I don’t know if this will work or not as far as forcing the administration’s hand. the history of this administration is to do what it wants.


#3

Well, that took them long to figure out… Look at any message from daesh and you’ll hear them admit to what they are doing. It’s not like daesh lunatics are ashamed of that. Thank God (:signofcross:The Most Holy Trinity:highprayer:) they don’t drink alcohol. If they are acting like this when they are sober… just imagine what they’d do if they would have a beer or two.


#4

OFFICE OF THE UN SPECIAL ADVISER ON THE PREVENTION OF GENOCIDE (OSAPG)
ANALYSIS FRAMEWORK
Legal definition of genocide
Genocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) as “any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its(1)physical destruction in whole or in part ; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and]
forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.”

(1)
It might be necessary to determine if all or only a part of the group at risk within a specific geographical location is being targeted. The aim of the Genocide Convention is to prevent the intentional destruction of entire human groups, and the part targeted must be significant enough (substantial) to have an impact on the group as a whole. The substantiality requirement both captures genocide’s defining character as a crime of massive proportions (numbers) and reflects the Convention’s concern with the impact the destruction of the targeted part will have on the overall survival of the group (emblematic).


#5

It would be hard for an administration that has proven itself to be so aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood to do a complete turn around and actually come out in support of Christians in the Middle East.

The House on the other hand is now on record as being that voice in the wilderness that is American politics in the Age of Obama.


#6

When groups that once involved millions now have been reduced to thousands, rest assured that the official definitions of genocide have been met in full.


#7

Yes! You are absolutely correct!


#8

And in stark contrast to the USCCB who asked for all to petition John Kerry. This administration is indeed a lone voice in the world. :blush:


#9

Anyway for those interested all this was on the USCCB daily emails, but is also explained here.

catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=27774

March 15, 2016
The president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops has urged Catholics to sign an online petition calling upon the State Department to designate the killing of the Middle East’s Christians as a genocide.

“Today, the people of God must speak up for our brothers and sisters facing genocide in the Middle East,” said Archbishop Joseph Kurtz of Louisville. “I urge every Catholic to sign the petition at www.stopthechristiangenocide.org. As a people of faith, we must convince the United States Department of State to include Christians in any formal declaration of genocide.”

Thanks.


#10

America repordedly dropped about twenty three thousand bombs on mainly Muslim countries last year.

We are commanded to love and pray for our enemies, we need a God solution, not a military one.


#11

Yes the democrats are confused as the thread indicates and on a world wide level and with religious and political understandings. In fact they are driving impaired. :hypno:


#12

It is impaired to believe that a military solution against a genocidal regime is not also a godly solution.
It is evil to turn your back on a genocide when it is well within your power to act to prevent it from happening, or to stop it in its tracks.

The House stood for the truth when they pointed to the fact that genocide is happening, and averred that a genocide is taking place.

The actions of the House have now born fruits, overcoming the perceived intertia of John Kerry to acknowledge the genocide. John Kerry .

Military measures are not the only means of dealing with this genocide. Special efforts must be made to get these groups to the front of the line as refugees, and find a way for them to gain access to channels of escape, in a situation where the slaughter against them continues in the refugee camps.


#13

These ISIS fascists need to be put to an end. They are committing major crimes against humanity. They are the modern Nazis. Their ideology is the ideology of death. The Allies need to take a stronger stance against ISIS. There needs to be a united global coalition against the fascist hordes just like World War II. We must win this war.


#14

Apparently Hitler learned much about genocide, by how the Europeans dealt with native American Indians during the last five hundred years.

American Holocaust: D. Stannard (Oxford Press, 1992) –** “over 100 million killed” “[Christopher] Columbus personally murdered half a million Natives”**
“Hitler’s concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America’s extermination – by starvation and uneven combat – of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.”

— P. 202, “Adolph Hitler” by John Toland


#15

Refugee Resettlement visas; Land and property restitution; A place at the peace table; Humanitarian aid; Reconstruction aid: Aside from erasing Daesh from the ends of the earth, these points from the article below outline a good blueprint that will help America effectively fight this genocide.

Refugee-resettlement visas: Christians from Syria have been grossly underrepresented in the numbers resettled in the U.S. from that country — only about 60 Christians and 1 Yazidi over five years of Syria’s conflict have been given U.S. resettlement visas. In Iraq, most of the Christians and Yazidis are displaced in Iraqi Kurdistan, where they do not have resettlement rights. Because they technically remain in Iraq, they cannot claim refugee status and therefore are not included in refugee-referral programs. This de facto discrimination must end for these genocide victims, many of whom are too traumatized to ever return to their homes. In the event that their areas are not liberated, they all will have to be resettled in the West.

Land and property restitution: These minorities lost their homes, businesses, and farms to ISIS, and others have now taken possession of them. Governments must be pressed to give priority recognition to titles of the genocide victims.

A place at the peace table: Christians are currently excluded from the Syrian peace talks, at which, eventually, borders will be redrawn and constitutions drafted. Their voices need to be included, lest they be marginalized in, or even shut out of, whatever replaces the old Syria.

Humanitarian aid: Many of these genocide victims are now displaced from their homes. They cannot seek shelter in U.N. camps, because those places are too dangerous for minorities — and therefore they must depend heavily on church and private relief. Even as donor fatigue sets in as the conflicts persist, U.S. aid programs must ensure that these genocide victims are not shortchanged.

Reconstruction aid: If and when they do return to their homes after the defeat of ISIS, the genocide victims will need help in reconstructing their houses, towns, and churches. America’s reconstruction aid to Iraq after the military surge was largely diverted away from the Christian areas by national and local governments. The U.S. government must recognize the specific challenges facing these minorities and provide greater and more direct help and greater transparency and oversight on their behalf. Secretary Kerry’s fine words, “What Daesh wants to erase, we must preserve,” cannot be made a reality without this.

Read more at: nationalreview.com/article/432940/john-kerry-isis-genocide-declared


#16

Hasn’t America done enough damage in the world already? They dropped around twenty three thousand bombs on mainly Muslim countries last year. When you start saying Daesh are committing genocide, look at America first.

[FONT=Times New Roman]How many innocent people have died as a result of American action?[/FONT]


#17

None of the solutions offered in that post had anything to do with dropping bombs.

Clearly, your priorities are with doing no harm to Daesh, and not with the Christians who are being exterminated by Daesh.

The ancient Talmudic saying holds true: those who are kind to the cruel, are cruel to the kind.


#18

His 100 million figure has no support due to lack of demographic data. As was popular back in the 1990’s, numerous authors inflated and misreported numbers to get attention for the upcoming 500 year anniversary. This is at best misdirection, and at worst a Black Legend attack. Try again.


#19

Anything that has happened in America’s past does not negate the responsibility of America speaking out on the genocides going on in the world today, and doing all that is in their power to act against that genocide.
That is the minimal response for an American declaration of genocide.

America is not engaged in a genocide against Muslims. That kind of insinuation is a lie.

Islamists on the other hand are engaged in a genocide against the Christians of the Middle East. The House was acting in good faith in pushing this as a critical issue, and John Kerry was correct in following the lead of the House.

Christians are all sinners, even egregious sinners, and that includes American Christians. Christians are also a people redeemed from sin by the blood of Christ. Therefore, the inertia of guilt is not an option to give Daesh a pass in their genocide against the Christians of the ME.

At this point of time, even for those who reject war against Daesh as an option, it is critical that Christians of the region have access to points of refuge. The refugee camps that exist are involved in the genocide against them, and therefore are not safe for them.

This is a pressing issue.


#20

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