[quote=porkscratchings]Neither applies to us. The greater Jihad (al-jihād al-akbar) is the soul’s struggle with evil. The lesser type (al-jihād al-asghar) is the struggle against religious or political oppression. This is the muslim version of the ‘just war’ concept. This is what ‘all muslims’ believe - not what u cited above.
Only the fundes interpret jihad in the way u stated, i.e. the lesser type is the only jihad worth following and that this type means indiscriminate killing of all non-muslims. This is not supported by either the Koran or the Hadiths.
Untrue. Surah 9:29
Qatiloo all those who do not believe in Allah or the last day… That is the Jihad al asghar. It does not say only jihad against religious or political oppression. I think you have fallen for the peaceful surah 2 verse.
[quote=porkscratchings]The relevance is in Pot. Kettle. Black.
That is the definition of tu quoque. Please look it up.
[quote=porkscratchings]jesus promised Christians heaven - unbelievers can just go to hell. Whether there’s virgins or not - it means one thing for unbelievers - it justifies killing non-Christians - as 2 thousand yrs of Christianity has demonstrated the correct interpretation of NT references to non-believers. What about the good’un about Jesus saying ‘compel them to come in’ (Luke15:15-23) interpreted by Augustine and many others following him to mean unbelievers should be forced to be Christians? What about the numerous antisemitic verses in the NT? If Islam is pretty sick, Christianity isn’t far behind.
Sure Jesus promised heaven but did he promise heaven to those who kill? I think not.
Where are the anti-semitic verses in the NT?
[quote=porkscratchings]Nope - one side totally wasted the other side so there was peace at the end. The losing side had no choice but to accept the terms offered by the winning side - both sides accepting peace doesn’t figure here. Those darned muslims just won’t accept being blown up by Israel and its western allies,having their oil taken off them, having puppet despots put in by the US to run their country for them…shame on them for not accepting ‘peace’ with the West…
Why not? Peace is peace. There is such a thing as acceptance of peace. Even Egypt signed a peace treaty with Israel. Why can’t the Palestinians who have no right to the Holy Land anyway?
[quote=porkscratchings] 14 centuries ain’t nuthing compared to 20 centuries of Christianity doing violence and oppression against everybody (including Christians) in virtually every part of the world. But i wouldn’t generalise about Christians - only the stupid minority. Same goes for muslims. That 80 million figure doesn’t ring true to me - with muslims being a minority group even when India was joined up with Pakistan. Hindus have done a fair bit of killing non-believers - going back at least 2,500 yrs. Enough time to whack the death toll right up. As you say ‘you continue to act like thugs, then the world will continue to regard you as thugs’ -applies as much to Christianity and Hinduism as it does to Islam.
So what if Hindus kill non-believers? It’s tu quoque.
The 80 million Hindus killed is generally accepted historical estimate. You know before the Muslims came and killed Hindus, there were zero, yes zero, Muslims in India and so it should be.
If you have any estimate of the Hindu killing non-believers, now is the time to produce the evidence.