How can Mary be an intercessor after death?


#1

This is an issue that relates to what is meant in the Scripture by death. :hmmm:


#2

I will get the ball rolling by stating that both life and death in the Scripture have a double meaning. There is the physical and there is the spiritual. The question is: which is which?

Maggie


#3

After who’s death?(earthly physical)


#4

Simple, Jesus is the Vine, and we are the branches. Jesus says that the only branches that are pruned are those that don’t bear fruit. By their very status as Saints (Mary in particular), they are fruit bearing branches, and therefore their physical death does NOT separate them from the vine, they are still part of it, still bearing fruit.


#5

My thoughts on this go to that place in Revelations referring to the golden bowls containing the prayers of the saints. Intercession by those who are already with God.

Since we know that Mary is there, seeing her role as intercessor is easy. Always best to get someone you know and who you know is there, to “put in a good word” :smiley: For my friends who have an issue with the “Mary thing” I always ask if they have ever asked someone they know, to put in a good word with their boss, to help them win a job etc. Usually see the light bulb go on with that one. Feel free to use as necessary.

Blessings to all.


#6

[quote=SusanG]My thoughts on this go to that place in Revelations referring to the golden bowls containing the prayers of the saints. Intercession by those who are already with God.

Since we know that Mary is there, seeing her role as intercessor is easy. Always best to get someone you know and who you know is there, to “put in a good word” :smiley: For my friends who have an issue with the “Mary thing” I always ask if they have ever asked someone they know, to put in a good word with their boss, to help them win a job etc. Usually see the light bulb go on with that one. Feel free to use as necessary.

Blessings to all.
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How do you know that those “prayers of the saints” are not prayers from those “saints” on earth. I mean that since we were all called saints, wouldn’t those prayers represent prayers from those on earth to God, not to any of the “Saints” as we know them? Just thinking out loud!


#7

[quote=Catholic Tom]How do you know that those “prayers of the saints” are not prayers from those “saints” on earth. I mean that since we were all called saints, wouldn’t those prayers represent prayers from those on earth to God, not to any of the “Saints” as we know them? Just thinking out loud!
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That actually is what it means, you are correct, at least that’s the Cath view.


#8

[quote=Catholic Tom]How do you know that those “prayers of the saints” are not prayers from those “saints” on earth. I mean that since we were all called saints, wouldn’t those prayers represent prayers from those on earth to God, not to any of the “Saints” as we know them? Just thinking out loud!
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Hehe. Apparently CT my point eluded you…I am most deeply sorry. Yes, the bowls contain the prayers of saints on earth, and are carried to God by those already with him. Read the rest of the post and you can see that I absolutely hold to the Catholic faith and teaching on this, sloppy post was all.

Sorry again if I threw ya off kilter there.

Susan


#9

There actually is enough content in Scripture to find reference to Mary interceding after death.

John 2, the story of the wedding feast at Cana, is a typological word picture of Mary being allowed by the Second Person of the Trinity to intercede…(1) Mary intercedes; (2) Jesus repudiates her; (3) Mary persists; (4) Jesus cooperates. Her title gune, “woman,” is given to her there.

At John 19:26, Jesus gives Mary to the Church, as her son, employing her title “woman.”

Finally, in Revelation 12, we see Mary the “woman” intercessor appearing in the sky. The Moon under her feet is the Devil being tread upon by her. The crown of twelve stars are the saved in all of the tribes of God’s people.


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