How Church Teaching Can Help Explain Why 'Black Lives Matter'

The woman who first used the phrase “black lives matter” and the woman who created the black lives matter hashtag ARE the same women who created the official BLM organization, which is very anti-male, anti-family, and against basic Christian teachings in many ways.

So, even though I did read the article, I heartily disagree with the bishop. Catholics should neither embrace nor repeat the BLM slogan with all of its history and baggage. Would you suggest we try to rehabilitate the hammer and sickle or swastika? Of course not; that would be absurd!

Aren’t black lives important? Of course they are! That’s why embracing this BLM slogan is dangerous…the organization sows division and promotes practices that the Church can NEVER condone; to top it off, they do nothing to help the black community.

So, time to come up with a new slogan.

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Would those that believe they can parse out the word from the political movement think they could freely where a MAGA hat at one of the riots?

Don’t think so. But the same logic applies.
They are just words, not a political movement. So what’s the big deal.

Black lives don’t matter because they are black. They matter because they are lives.

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In my heart I believe that ALM=all lives matter…I believe in God and He Loves us All…all humans and creatures of the Earth…Amen!

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Why is the phrase so difficult to utter? Or the concept so difficult to accept or promote?

It reminds me of “We Shall Overcome” – conservatives had a field day with that one, too. Then when “Black Power” came along, they had a conniption fit!

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posts #30 and #32 should answer your questions

Do you have any proof that this is the reason why? The word all seems redundant. Otherwise they would have said ‘born black lives matter’ or something similar. I highly doubt you will get into trouble if you say all black lives matter, unless you use that phrase to co-opt that movement and make it about abortion, as their focus is particularly on the lack of accountability for police brutality.

Pro choices rarely admit that fetuses are ‘lives’ anyway.

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Just because someone refuses to admit that they are lives I the womb is irrelevant. For as much as the left likes to paint the right as anti-science, they go off the rails on one of the most basic concepts - the existence of life.

So you somehow excuse the fact many don’t believe a black life in the womb is a life, but have issues when others disavow what the BLM movement believes?

People who refuses to understand why the phrase is now poisoned simply don’t care, and want everyone to knuckle under and bow their heads. Even when achieved, have you then actually convinced anyone of the worthiness of the message?

  1. I’m not sure people disagree as to life existing in the womb. That sounds like your judgment. The disagreement is about ending that life. I’m pro-life, by the way.

  2. You set up a false dichotomy between those who disagree with you as to abortion and ‘black lives matter’ as a statement and a belief.

I was responding to the statement Lea made, not creating one of my own. You’ll have to ask her what “they” believe. My point is anyone who does believe that is wrong, and people who refuse to accept immutable facts are not to be simply excused for their misdeeds.

There is no false dichotomy. My objection to the BLM motto is the goals of the group that shares its name. The abortion concept was raised by others, and addressed by Lea, so you should take your objections there.

Honestly, I can’t be judge of that.

I’m not American, and to me “Black lives matter” mean nothing else than the plain meaning of the words. I am well aware that the issue is much more complex than that on your side of the pond.

As a European who hasn’t lived through months of civil unrest as you have, whose country never had the segregation history the US have, and who has seen the slogan taken up by teenagers simply as a protest against racism and ongoing discriminations based on skin color, this phrase is completely free for me of the negative associations is has for you.

I have no problem, as far as I’m concerned, with using it in order to promote Catholic values. I understand it is different for you. But “Black lives matter” hasn’t been poisoned for the whole world.

But I and other Catholics are co-opting them with some wonderful goals . . . holy, even.

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And when you succeed, let me know. Let’s also work on getting the stigma out of Nazi, KKK, and liverwurst too, while are at it.

It isn’t that simple. But again, there should be no pressure to say it any more than there is pressure to not say it. If it works for you and Oddbird, great. I don’t see why anyone else would care if lots of people choose not to say it.

Sure you can, unless you refuse to.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

We make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate and lead.

We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.

We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.

We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts.

We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).

The stigma on BLM is one that you and too much of the Right insist on super-imposing.

I believe we already discussed the difference between an organization and movement . . . in multiple threads, in fact. This thread is about theology, not politics.

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I’m not sure why you absolutely want me to understand that phrase inside the specific ideological framework it was ascribed by an organisation which doesn’t even exist where I live.

Actually, I’m not sure why you think this ideological framework should be the one and only way of understanding the sentence “Black lives matter”.

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Great, chant it all you want in your country.

A) Scandal exists.

B) Folks choose not to utter something that is synonymous with something that is antithetical in some of stated goals to catholic teachings. Not hard to grasp. I find chanting “Black Lives Matter, but I mean that generally, not the org itself which is a Marxist front for bad societal change” to be too cumbersome.

I still don’t see why ANYONE would care whether or not Catholics utter the phrase. We agree with many of the same principles. That should be enough. the heavy-handed insistence on using a certain phrase makes little sense, is frankly no one’s business, and gets a bit authoritarian. Why is it any business of yours whether other Catholics (or non-Catholics) feel comfortable with using the phrase?

I guess when I basically said “you chant what you want, and I’ll chant what I want” that wasn’t good enough.

Again, the politicization of this phrase comes only on your own insistence.

Then why do so many of my fellow/sister Catholics keep hen-pecking me for uttering it? I mean, you just told me that it’s:

So it’s not like you don’t care that I say it. Or that you just stated likewise of Church hierarchy.

Nobody said you have to. Did you read the article?

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Would you wave a rainbow flag to show the theological meaning that God loves all humanity, despite our many sins? The rainbow as a symbol was biblical before it was political, but it’s obvious which message it conveys now. “Black lives matter” is now the political slogan of an overtly Marxist movement, so the same difficulty applies.

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I’m a bit confused. Do you think Catholics should refrain from using the slogan because it’s synonymous with goals not compatible with the Catholic faith, or do you think it doesn’t matter ?

It’s not any particular business of mine, but I thought you were concerned that Catholics (or other Christians) were comfortable using it, since you said :

So I was just explaining why I’m comfortable with them – namely, that these words do not mean the same thing to me as they do to you, due to cultural and contextual differences.

I think one of the inevitable consequences of authorship is that the things that were created by a particular individual tend to take a life of their own, one their author would never have foreseen. So, why not let the slogan “Black Lives Matter” take a new, Christian sense, instead of letting an apparently controversial organisation occupy the field on their own ?

After all, reinvesting non-Christian words and concepts and giving them a wholly new meaning, which transcends the previous one, is something our theological tradition does particularly well.

But of course, that’s just my two cents.

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