How did Noah find God's Favor?

Peace be with you all,

Noah, a gentile, found God’s favor before Moses wrote the Law and before Jesus preached the Gospel. How did he find God’s Favor?

Peace, Love and Blessings,

What are your thoughts?

[quote=chrisb]Peace be with you all,
Noah, a gentile, found God’s favor before Moses wrote the Law and before Jesus preached the Gospel. How did he find God’s Favor?
Peace, Love and Blessings,
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He lived according to a moral code, relative to his generation.

His obedience to the will of God, agreed with the essence of the Ten Commandments, long before these were even written.

Gerry :slight_smile:

Noah was not a gentile. He was from the blood line of Seth, who is the son of Adam and Eve. Noah remained faithful to God through the teachings of his father, Lamech.

See what happens when you “walk in a right relationship” with God.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Jews descended form Abraham. Before then, the Bible talks abojut the history of mankind, not particularly of Jews (Adam and Eve were the first humans, not first Jews).

Abraham came after Noah, so Jews didn’t exist in Noah’s time.

[quote=campion]Correct me if I’m wrong, but Jews descended form Abraham. Before then, the Bible talks abojut the history of mankind, not particularly of Jews (Adam and Eve were the first humans, not first Jews).
Abraham came after Noah, so Jews didn’t exist in Noah’s time.
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The word “Jew” comes from the Germanization of “Yehudah” (“Judah”), one of the two kingdoms of Israel after the Davidic dynasty split. In Jewish law, “Jew” or “Israelite” refers to any member of the nation who accepts the 613 commandments given to Moses at Sinai; before Sinai, a member of the nation of Israel was termed a “Hebrew” - coming from the title given Abraham, “Ivri” (literally “one who crossed over”). Before Abraham (which is to say, before the nation was created), people were termed “son of Noah,” or “Noahide.” as all were descended from Noah. Before Noah, people were simply called “son of Man,” or “man.”

Shalom!

Gil

[quote=campion]Correct me if I’m wrong, but Jews descended form Abraham.
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Part of that is true. The Jews came from Judah, who is from Israel, who is from Issac, who is from Abraham, who is a decendant from Shem, who is from Noah, who is a decendant from Seth, who is from Adam.

[quote=campion]Before then, the Bible talks abojut the history of mankind, not particularly of Jews (Adam and Eve were the first humans, not first Jews).

Abraham came after Noah, so Jews didn’t exist in Noah’s time.
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The time you are referring to is where God is showing humanity, man was created on the 6th day for Himself on the 7th day. God created man for himself and He would show him how to have a right relationship with Himself through those He establishs a covenant with. You are right they weren’t called Jews, but from Adam through to Israel, God was still blessing the world through One Holy Couple, One Holy Family, to One Holy Tribe.

[quote=chrisb]Peace be with you all,

Noah, a gentile, found God’s favor before Moses wrote the Law and before Jesus preached the Gospel. How did he find God’s Favor?

Peace, Love and Blessings,
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Before the Exodus, the Gentile-Israelite division had npo meaning: it was operative only because Israel was chosen as God’s holy people and the other nations were not,

So where there is no such distinction of peoples - and no Law either - there is neither Gentile nor Israelite. ##

[quote=GilKobrin]The word “Jew” comes from the Germanization of “Yehudah” (“Judah”), one of the two kingdoms of Israel after the Davidic dynasty split. In Jewish law, “Jew” or “Israelite” refers to any member of the nation who accepts the 613 commandments given to Moses at Sinai; before Sinai, a member of the nation of Israel was termed a “Hebrew” - coming from the title given Abraham, “Ivri” (literally “one who crossed over”). Before Abraham (which is to say, before the nation was created), people were termed “son of Noah,” or “Noahide.” as all were descended from Noah. Before Noah, people were simply called “son of Man,” or “man.”
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In nomine Jesu I offer you peace,

Would I be correct to say that “gentile” means “not-Jew” or “not-Hebrew”?

Peace, Love and Blessings,

[quote=chrisb]Peace be with you all,

Noah, a gentile, found God’s favor before Moses wrote the Law and before Jesus preached the Gospel. How did he find God’s Favor?

Peace, Love and Blessings,
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I have been waiting two days for someone to answer this. It is profound yet easy.
Gen 6:9 -Noah walked with God.
Noah found favor because he walked with God. We can walk with God, for God does not live in temples made by man. If we walk with God we will surely find his favor.
Does anyone here walk with God? As if he was right next to you asking Him throughout the day for advise and council., thanking Him for the thinks that we are blessed with, talking to Him rather than listening to the radio or reading the newspaper?

[quote=Xavier]I have been waiting two days for someone to answer this. It is profound yet easy.
Gen 6:9 -Noah walked with God.
Noah found favor because he walked with God. We can walk with God, for God does not live in temples made by man. If we walk with God we will surely find his favor.
Does anyone here walk with God? As if he was right next to you asking Him throughout the day for advise and council., thanking Him for the thinks that we are blessed with, talking to Him rather than listening to the radio or reading the newspaper?
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In nomine Jesu I offer you peace Xavier,

Is it that simple, to walk with God? I am sure we have all heard of some who “say” they walk with God and yet they differ greatly. If all who claim to “walk with God” do, then why does God offer each different council?

Do you claim to “walk with God”? If so I have many questions in which I would like answers.

Peace, Love and Blessings,

[quote=chrisb]In nomine Jesu I offer you peace Xavier,

Is it that simple, to walk with God? I am sure we have all heard of some who “say” they walk with God and yet they differ greatly. If all who claim to “walk with God” do, then why does God offer each different council?

Do you claim to “walk with God”? If so I have many questions in which I would like answers.

Peace, Love and Blessings,
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Easy but profound.
Unless ye be as little children…
God gives us the same council. Love Him with all your heart all your soul all your might. And to love your neighbor as yourself.

We are not seperated and rewarded in heaven by denominations we are seperated and rewarded by how we loved Him and each other.

Focus on Him and not what would divide us.

You and I both can walk with God you a RC me a nondenominational. Heaven is full of Catholics and Baptists and Lutherns and Pentacostals, and Seven Day Ads and Methodists and Quakers and Shackers and…

[quote=Xavier]Easy but profound.
Unless ye be as little children…
God gives us the same council. Love Him with all your heart all your soul all your might. And to love your neighbor as yourself.
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In nomine Jesu I offer you peace Xavier,

He also said “repeat and be baptized” as well as “rise and sin no more” but the real question that keeps arising in my mind is “what does this mean in our daily lifes”?

We are not seperated and rewarded in heaven by denominations we are seperated and rewarded by how we loved Him and each other.

The Jews, God’s Chosen People, where required to interact with God in a very formal ritualized manner. Would you suggest that they where wrong? I don’t mean to suggest that we should not embrace the “Great Commandment” but I also recogize that Jesus stated that not one letter of the law would be taken away. Historically Christians, particularly Protestant Christian, have just about explained away adhearing to “any” laws of the old testament. I think this might be in error. What are your thoughts on this?

Focus on Him and not what would divide us.

Do you feel that you are speaking for God here? How do you know that what divides us isn’t of importance?

You and I both can walk with God you a RC me a nondenominational. Heaven is full of Catholics and Baptists and Lutherns and Pentacostals, and Seven Day Ads and Methodists and Quakers and Shackers and…

I don’t assume that this is so. I seek to know and to be guided correctly. The Great Commandment didn’t make our lives easier, it made them more complicated, in my humble opinion.

Peace, Love and Blessings

[quote=chrisb]In nomine Jesu I offer you peace Xavier,

He also said “repeat and be baptized” as well as “rise and sin no more” but the real question that keeps arising in my mind is “what does this mean in our daily lifes”?

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Excellent question. I believe it is at the core of the christians life.
How do we walk with God? How do we love God with our whole being and love or nieghbor? What does that mean in our daily walk?
I would look to scripture for this instruction, looking to rejoice always, in all things give thanks, continually praise God etc, etc.

As a Catholic you are instructed to know, love and serve God. the saints are supposed to be your guideposts on how to live this life by their example and their teachings.

The Jews, God’s Chosen People, where required to interact with God in a very formal ritualized manner. Would you suggest that they where wrong? I don’t mean to suggest that we should not embrace the “Great Commandment” but I also recogize that Jesus stated that not one letter of the law would be taken away. Historically Christians, particularly Protestant Christian, have just about explained away adhearing to “any” laws of the old testament. I think this might be in error. What are your thoughts on this?

When Jesus died the veil in the holy of holies was rent. The veil which seperated man from God was removed. There are laws of the Old Testament that both Catholic and nonCatholic adhere to and Laws that neither do.

Do you feel that you are speaking for God here? How do you know that what divides us isn’t of importance?

God speaks for Himself.
He has and always will raise up prophets to speak His word. I believe JPll is one such prophet.
As you come to know God you know His heart we will never totally “know God” in this life but your knowledge of Him will increase. Isnt that what the old Baltimore Catichesim instructed you to know, love and serve God?

I don’t assume that this is so. I seek to know and to be guided correctly. The Great Commandment didn’t make our lives easier, it made them more complicated, in my humble opinion.

Volumes could be written on how to love God with your whole heart it against all our carnality.

Peace, Love and Blessings

[quote=Xavier]Excellent question. I believe it is at the core of the christians life.
How do we walk with God? How do we love God with our whole being and love or nieghbor? What does that mean in our daily walk?

I would look to scripture for this instruction, looking to rejoice always, in all things give thanks, continually praise God etc, etc.

As a Catholic you are instructed to know, love and serve God. the saints are supposed to be your guideposts on how to live this life by their example and their teachings.
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In nomine Jesu I offer you peace Xavier,

I must say, friend that you are remarkably insightful and I am greatly enjoy this dialog with you. Your advice is sound and your answers are filled with the Holy Spirit.

Truly the Bible says “In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct they paths.” - Proverbs 3:6

When Jesus died the veil in the holy of holies was rent. The veil which seperated man from God was removed. There are laws of the Old Testament that both Catholic and nonCatholic adhere to and Laws that neither do.

This is a very good response. One that I will reflect upon for some time.

God speaks for Himself.

He has and always will raise up prophets to speak His word. I believe JPll is one such prophet.

As you come to know God you know His heart we will never totally “know God” in this life but your knowledge of Him will increase. Isnt that what the old Baltimore Catichesim instructed you to know, love and serve God?

This again is very interesting. I have read several JPII’s books and found the leader of my Church inspiring, insightful and guided by the Holy Spirit. It has been a great consolation for all the troubles that have plagued the Church of late.

Volumes could be written on how to love God with your whole heart it against all our carnality.

And many have! Are you familiar with Saint John of the Cross?

Peace, Love and Blessings,

[quote=chrisb]Would I be correct to say that “gentile” means “not-Jew” or “not-Hebrew”?
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You would be correct in such a statement. A gentile is a “son of Noah,” or a “Noahide.”

Shalom!

Gil

[quote=chrisb]In nomine Jesu I offer you peace Xavier,

And many have! Are you familiar with Saint John of the Cross?

Peace, Love and Blessings,
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:blessyou:
Peace to you my brother Chrisb,

I know of John of the Cross but do not know him;)
The dark Night of the Soul is sittting on my bookself unread for the past 20 years.
Now that you mention him in may be a good time to revisit.
Have you read John of the cross?

Peace to you my brother Chrisb,

I know of John of the Cross but do not know him;)
The dark Night of the Soul is sittting on my bookself unread for the past 20 years.
Now that you mention him in may be a good time to revisit.
Have you read John of the cross?
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Just a thought, Xavier, but *Dark Night *might not be the best volume to start reading John of the Cross with. It’s focus is on the passive purification of our souls by God before he leads us into infused contemplation. From hearing people talk of the book, it seems many misinterpret it as applying to those times when we don’t feel God’s presence in our lives…and more or less miss the point of the book.

In my opinion, a better place to start would be his Ascent of Mt. Carmel.

Peace to you my brother Chrisb,

I know of John of the Cross but do not know him;)
The dark Night of the Soul is sittting on my bookself unread for the past 20 years.
Now that you mention him in may be a good time to revisit.
Have you read John of the cross?
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In nomine Jesu I offer you peace Xavier,

Yes, I have “The Collected Works of St. John of the Cross” by the Institute of Carmelite Studies and have read “The Sayings of Light and Love” as well as “The Ascent of Mount Carmel”. He is profound to say the least but one would have to be ready for him.

Prefection does not lie in the virtues that the soul knows it has, but in the virtues that our Lord sees in it. This is a closed book; hence once has no reason for presumption, but mjust remain prostrate on the ground with respect to self. - St. John of the Cross

Peace, Love and Blessings,

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