This is how I would answer this person:
it ddn’t even become the self styled “universal church” until the fourt century
Where is the proof that it didn’t become the “universal church until the fourth century”.
rebutting your point…
“The Church is Catholic or universal because she subsists in all ages, teaches all nations, and is the source of all Truth.”
(Basic Catechism of Christian Doctrine)
and today, the catholic church still is a vehicle for despicable acs
sadako, the other churches today are nowhere near the depravity associated with the catholic church, nor ever were.
As Our Lord was persecuted, so is HIS church persecuted - as Our Lord says - St John Chapt 15 verse 18-20 "
If the World hate you, know ye, that it hath hated me before you"
If you had been of the world, the world would love its own : but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember my word that I said to you : The servant is not gretaer than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you : if they have kept my word, they will keep yours also.
John Chp 15 23 “He that hateth me, hateth my Father also”.
MY POINT EXACTLY:::
On the claim that the Catholic Church was the first true church
not true sadako, look at the history
Coral: even the catholic encyclopedia does not claim that/QUOTE]
[quote]Catholics believe that theirs is the one true Church of Jesus Christ, firstly because theirs is the only Christian Church that goes back in history to the time of Christ; secondly because theirs is the only Christian Church which possesses the invincible unity, the intrinsic holiness, teh continual universality and the indisputable apostolicity which Christ said would distinguish His true Church; and thirdly, because the Apostles and primitive Church Fathers, who certainly were members of Christ’s true Church, all professesed membership in this same Catholic Church. “Where the Bishop is, there let the multitude of believes be; even as where Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church” Ignatius of Antioch. Jesus said There shall be one fold and one shepherd.
Jesus Chris was NOT a Catholic, he was a JEW!! he had NOTHING to do with Catholicism -
Agree, Jesus was NOT a Catholic, but he founded HIS Church which was the Catholic (universal) Church.
And Jesus answering said to him : Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona : because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. And I say to thee : That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven : and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven./QUOTE]
and John 21:15-17
[quote]When therefore they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter : Simon, son of John, lovest thou me more than these? He saith to him Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him : Feed my lambs. He saith to him again : Simon son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him : Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him : Feed my lambs. He said to him the third time : Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time : Lovest thou me? And he said to him : Lord, thou knowest all things : thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him : Feed my sheep.
where is your proof that he had nothing to do with catholicism???
catholicism was started in rome
the city of pagans
how good can it be
“Only gradually and not without argument and even friction among brethren did the idea of Catholicity, that is universality, come to dominate the minds of the early Jewish Christians and set the pattern for their future work. From the second century onwards the word Catholic was in general use by Christian Writers” (A short history of the Catholic Church by Denis Meadows).
Catholicism was not started in Rome -
St Peter was the Bishop of Antioch before he moved to Rome.
“In Jerusalem was assembled the Christian Church - Christ’s Virgin Mother, the headstrong, passionate Simon Peter to whom had been committed the keys of of the new Kingdom, the ten others of the original twelve, and one Matthias recently elected by ballot to replace the apostate Judas. In addition to these - the Church’s mother and patroness and its first hierarchy - were other faithful disciples, making up a total of 120 people says the author of acts of apostles…then came the descent of the Holy Ghost” etc
St Ignatius was the first writer to use the term Catholic Church in his writings to the christians in Smyrna in the year 107, he used this term.
That should about answer it…