How do Mormon males get 'exalted' since polygamy is banned?


#1

There was an exposé on Colorado City, Arizona, on the tele tonight. It is a scandal of huge proportions for this state. Polygyny (one man, more than one wife) has been openly practiced in Colorado City for many years, and the “guvmint” has done nothing about it. Child molestation, child rape, domestic violence against women, and welfare fraud are rampant. The whole town is on welfare – supported by taxpayers. (It’s hard for a man with 56 children to feed them all.) Young boys are kicked out of town --homeless, jobless, friendless, and without training or education; they’re called the “lost boys.” They’re viewed as competition for the old men wanting to take young girls as “brides,” so they’re forced out. Both girls and boys are uneducated. One man, “The Prophet,” rules the town with an iron fist. He has 81 wives (I think that was the number) and hundreds of children. Even the cops are lawbreaking polygamists.

According to this documentary, to qualify for ‘exaltation,’ and thus become a god, rule over his own planet, and have spirit children without number with his goddess-wives, Joseph Smith declared that a man must have at least three earthly wives. How is that accomplished since the LDS church was forced to ban polygyny in September, 1890, in order for Utah to become a state?

JMJ Jay


#2

Just because murder is against the law, does that stop it from happening? The ban on polygamy was to quash public outrage, but it has been going on secretly the whole time.

[quote=Katholikos]There was an exposé on Colorado City, Arizona, on the tele tonight. It is a scandal of huge proportions for this state. Polygyny (one man, more than one wife) has been openly practiced in Colorado City for many years, and the “guvmint” has done nothing about it. Child molestation, child rape, domestic violence against women, and welfare fraud are rampant. The whole town is on welfare – supported by taxpayers. (It’s hard for a man with 56 children to feed them all.) Young boys are kicked out of town --homeless, jobless, friendless, and without training or education; they’re called the “lost boys.” They’re viewed as competition for the old men wanting to take young girls as “brides,” so they’re forced out. Both girls and boys are uneducated. One man, “The Prophet,” rules the town with an iron fist. He has 81 wives (I think that was the number) and hundreds of children. Even the cops are lawbreaking polygamists.

According to this documentary, to qualify for ‘exaltation,’ and thus become a god, rule over his own planet, and have spirit children without number with his goddess-wives, Joseph Smith declared that a man must have at least three earthly wives. How is that accomplished since the LDS church was forced to ban polygyny in September, 1890, in order for Utah to become a state?

JMJ Jay
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#3

Well apparently, in Colorado City (and probably other places) it’s not such a “secret.”

When one commits murder, there is at least some investigation and hopefully an arrest.

This is disgusting that grown men are taking 15 year old girls as wives.

Apparently, until there is a pubic outcry, the government officials will look the other way. The Governor is the former Attorney General. She did nothing about this problem as AG, and is doing nothing as Governor!


#4

Can anyone provide a source or site for this information? Thanks!


#5

You can read this book, “Under The Banner of Heaven”, by Jon Krakauer. It is about this very subject, among others, and very informative.

amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1400032806/qid=1101996645/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/104-4740294-5260727?v=glance&s=books&n=507846


#6

[quote=AServantofGod]Can anyone provide a source or site for this information? Thanks!
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“You Can Never Leave” Canadian Broadcasting Documentary


#7

[quote=Katholikos]There was an exposé on Colorado City, Arizona, on the tele tonight. It is a scandal of huge proportions for this state. Polygyny (one man, more than one wife) has been openly practiced in Colorado City for many years, and the “guvmint” has done nothing about it. Child molestation, child rape, domestic violence against women, and welfare fraud are rampant. The whole town is on welfare – supported by taxpayers. (It’s hard for a man with 56 children to feed them all.) Young boys are kicked out of town --homeless, jobless, friendless, and without training or education; they’re called the “lost boys.” They’re viewed as competition for the old men wanting to take young girls as “brides,” so they’re forced out. Both girls and boys are uneducated. One man, “The Prophet,” rules the town with an iron fist. He has 81 wives (I think that was the number) and hundreds of children. Even the cops are lawbreaking polygamists.

These disgusting people have nothing to do with the LDS church, they are just some people(men mostly) who decided to practice polygamy. The live in two towns one over the Arizona border and one on the Utah border. Hilldale and Colorado City, neither governor does anything about it and it is really terrible. I can not understand, but I guess they do not want another Waco. I for one would go in and haul off the men to jail. Those poor women are born into it and of course brainwashed to the point where they are free to roam. Many of them travel to St George,Utah to work and shop. When I saw them all dressed as in pioneer days. I thought they had been in some kind of play, then my brother who lives in Ivins, said they were (plygs). Thats what they call them in St George. It sickens me and all other LDS, but we are not the law and they are not part of our church. Apparently there is nothing the law wants to do to stop it. I think it only started there in the 1980s. I have driven past and there were houses with no windows, and no one to be seen. There are no open businesses, so all of their trading has to be done in St George.
In the early days of Polygamy in the Church, it was practiced for only a few years and then only certain men were allowed to practice it. It was not church wide and was not continued because it is church doctrine to follow the laws of the land. It was
outlawed in the church before Utah became a state.
We do not believe a man has to have many wives to go to heaven.
That is just plain not true. I also read parts of “Under the Banner of Heaven” It is listed as one of the worst books of anti-Mormon literature in present times. My sister (same father,but not same mother) who is an athiest married to a Jew gave it to me. I could not read but a few pages and I found it totally disgusting how the author tried to tie the LDS church in with these murdering freaks.
I am sure there are some mentally ill Catholics and do you judge the whole church by these poor misguided people. Example the woman who worshiped the Cheese sandwich with Mary on it.
I know I have hammered that to death, but hey, would you want to be compared to her as a Catholic?
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#8

Example the woman who worshiped the Cheese sandwich with Mary on it.

Ya really like cheese sandwiches huh? :smiley:


#9

The woman who worshipped a cheese sandwich with Mary’s face on it.

  1. The woman didn’t woship the sasndwich. She kept it in tupperware on the nightstand.

  2. The woman wasn’t catholic, so comparing her to catholicism would be inaccurate.


#10

No one has actually answered the question here. We were all so appaulled at the story that I think we missed the question…If polygamy (polygyny) is required for exaltation/godhood, then what is the fate of faithful LDS members who now only have one wife?


#11

As the LDS poster noted, these people are fundamentalist Mormons and not part of the CJCLDS. They are to Mormons what snake-handling churches or the “holy rollers” are to Catholics.

That being said, the original question remains and I for one can’t answer it. My guess would be that a later prophet overruled what Smith and Young had to say about the matter. Maybe the LDS poster can help us with this?

JP


#12

[quote=j_arden]As the LDS poster noted, these people are fundamentalist Mormons and not part of the CJCLDS. They are to Mormons what snake-handling churches or the “holy rollers” are to Catholics.

That being said, the original question remains and I for one can’t answer it. My guess would be that a later prophet overruled what Smith and Young had to say about the matter. Maybe the LDS poster can help us with this?

JP
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It was overturned by a later prophet and is an “appendix” to the D&C. But the prophet overturned it in order that Utah might become a state.


#13

[quote=tkdnick]No one has actually answered the question here. We were all so appaulled at the story that I think we missed the question…If polygamy (polygyny) is required for exaltation/godhood, then what is the fate of faithful LDS members who now only have one wife?
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These men can have other wives sealed to them after death (by proxy in a temple). This is being done as we speak. Mormons are taught that these after-the-fact sealings will also be performed during the millenium.

[quote=bjcolbert]We do not believe a man has to have many wives to go to heaven.
That is just plain not true.
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BJ, you’re wrong. It is Mormon doctrine that a man must be plurally married to acheive exaltation. Whether you personally believe it or not is not relevant to the discussion.

I will post the teachings from Joseph Smith and others if you like.

Paul


#14

That might be the only way to show anything for certain…


#15

[quote=AServantofGod]Can anyone provide a source or site for this information? Thanks!
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phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2003-03-13/news/feature_print.html

This is a long but very interesting, well-written newspaper account of the goings-on in Colorado City, Arizona, which is right on the border with Hildale, Utah, another city where polygyny is openly practiced.

We critize human rights violations in other countries, but tolerate this horrific treatment of women and young girls and boys right here in Arizona.

That nobody does anything about it tells you how powerful the Mormons are in Arizona.


#16

It’s my understanding that Mormons believe Heaven has different “levels.” The “exaltation” refers to the highest level, the level where a man can become “God.” So, one can not be plurally married and still go to heaven, just maybe not to the highest level. This is similar to the Mormon belief regarding the “salvation” of non-Mormons. Non-Mormons can go to heaven but not the highest level.

Also, this discussion would benefit by drawing clear lines between fundamentalist Mormons and CJCLDS Mormons. The difference, especially in matters of discipline, is substantial.

JP


#17

Is the D&C available online? I can’t seem to find it.

JP


#18

[quote=j_arden]It’s my understanding that Mormons believe Heaven has different “levels.” The “exaltation” refers to the highest level, the level where a man can become “God.” So, one can not be plurally married and still go to heaven, just maybe not to the highest level. This is similar to the Mormon belief regarding the “salvation” of non-Mormons. Non-Mormons can go to heaven but not the highest level.

Also, this discussion would benefit by drawing clear lines between fundamentalist Mormons and CJCLDS Mormons. The difference, especially in matters of discipline, is substantial.

JP
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You have a good understanding of the belief, and that is how I understand it. I don’t believe there will be many men in an exalted position to have many wives, and it is not wives in a sexual connotation, but as preserving and sealing families together, as in my case, I probably will not be sealed to my husband who is Catholic, and I do not want to be sealed in the Temple to my ex husband, but I do want my family, grandparents, parents, children kept intact as much as possible. We believe that anything that is not made right on earth will be made right in heaven. But, there are certain ordinances that must be done on earth and can not be done once you are on the other side, except by persons still living.
Which is why we do baptism and marriage and sealings of families in the Temples all over the world. The persons who are dead and have this work done for them, have the option of refusing it, but at least they have the opportunity if they so desire to accept it on the other side. So many women are sealed to men they have never known or heard of, just to preserve the family unit.
There are apparently a lot more good women than men in the world.


#19

[quote=j_arden]Is the D&C available online? I can’t seem to find it.

JP
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Go to scriptures.lds.org (no www)


#20

Here are a few to start:

Doctrine and Covenants, Section 132:1-6
1 VERILY, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines—

2 Behold, and lo, I am the Lord thy God, and will answer thee as touching this matter.

3 Therefore, prepare thy heart to receive and obey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.

4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.

For the full text of D&C 132 see scriptures.lds.org/dc/132

Joseph Smith taught that “the doctrine of plural and celestial marriage is the most holy and important doctrine ever revealed to man on earth, and that without obedience to that principle no man can ever attain to the fullness of exaltation in the celestial glory” (William Clayton, Historical Record, p.266)

“… he [Joseph Smith] said that a man who did not have but one wife, in the resurrection that woman will not be his, but [will be] taken from him and given to another.” (Brigham Young, Wilford Woodruff Journal, 31 August 1873)

“the only men who become gods, even the Son of God, are those who enter into polygamy” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p.269)

Paul


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