How does God bring good out of evil: When a 5 year old girl is raped and murdered?


#21

No, this is not right either, for he holds all being in their very existence. THe God beyond being, the cause of all being, transcendent and unthinkable, for our sake became man to rescue us from the tyranny of death and the devil, and he has granted to men the real possibility of salvation. But why he seems to do more for some and not others is a mystery.

But what is true is this- Every fiber of every creature continues to exist only because he sustains its existence. He gives life to the innocent and the wicked. He sustains the saint and their mystical visions, and he sustains the sinner and their wickedness (but he is not the cause of their wickedness). All things are held together by him in a symphony, even if the fall has struck a discordant note in the whole of creation, he has written the music of being to account for it, and it will all culminate in the climax of victory and glorification of the justice and the mercy, the grace and condescension, the love and severity and majesty of the Trinity.


#22

yada yada yada


#23

It is not a sign of predestination to reject the sovereignty of God.


#24

Not only that we have a reasonable hope heaven awaits them but, also, because there are various degrees of beatitude in heaven, such young such victims will receive a greater degree of beatitude than they would otherwise.


#25

That took place in India. Chances are they’re Hindu, and they subscribe to reincarnation.

There it will be viewed that she’ll be born into a better life while the murderer is reincarnated as something lowly.


#26

This follows from a misunderstanding of God’s moment-to-moment relationship to creation.


#27

To say that there’s a relationship between us and a necessary cause is one thing, to give that cause consciousness, and credit for something that mindless evolution is perfectly capable of creating is seemingly a bit unreasonable. If evolution alone can create a greater good, then why give credit for it to a benevolent God. Good and evil would exist even without such a benevolent cause, so why imagine that there is one?

Natural laws alone can create a world with good and evil, so show me a world without evil, and perhaps I’ll give some credence to your benevolent God.


#28

Love necessitates freedom and therefore the possibility of evil. Show me a world where freedom is never abused and your God is merely a dictator. Love and goodness are risky business.


#29

How does God bring good out of evil?

Easy… God uses the most evil thing that humans have committed by allowing Jesus to be humiliated, ridiculed, judged, scourged, to carry - to be crucified - and to die on the cross FOR THE SALVATION OF SOULS. Likewise, God uses human sufferings and misery to fill up what is lacking in Christ’s sufferings on the cross to change the hearts and minds of people, for the transformation, conversion, redemption, purification and salvation of souls. The pains and sorrows of the grieving family of the little girl united with the petitions, prayers, penances, mortifications, sacrifices of the living saints on earth must be offered in union with Jesus’s sufferings on the cross to change the hearts and minds of people, for the transformation, conversion, redemption, purification and salvation of souls.


#30

Love may necessitate freedom, but that doesn’t mean that it necessitates God.


#31

Certainly it does, for freedom and love have no moral meaning apart from God. Animals do not strive for love and freedom, they strive for dominance and reproduction. And in fact, quite opposite of the animals, we are capable of altruistic self-sacrifice, contrary to the supposed reality of natural selection. If we all evolved in the same way from a common ancestor, at what point in our development did we obtain the capacity to die for truths that we find ennobling? Freely and lovingly mind you. Something cannot come from nothing, and the self-sacrifice in the name of truth gene does not exist in irrational creatures. Therefore where else would our need to lay down our life for truth come from if not from that which is outside, not only us, but the laws of nature and the universe and truth itself, as origin and cause of all truth and all being?


#32

But I didn’t say that. I said “perhaps”. I also said she might have suffered a different kind of pain. IOW, I offered two things which might have been, as far as the person’s ultimate salvation, worse (eternally) than what happened. I didn’t say it was why it happened, or that it would have happened, or tell a grieving family’ that this is why their daughter died. So please, don’t try to give ME a bad name I do not deserve.

The use of "perhaps’ is a conditional kind of “what if”. It means that what follows might be an explanation, or it might not, not that it absolutely is what would have happened.


#34

You are assuming that “simple evolution” --by which I assume you mean evolution without the guidance of any greater intelligence–can bring about the incredible complexity of life that we see on this world.

I think that without God, the universe would not exist, but if it did, the conditions would not be right for life to arise, but if they were, that life would not have started, because that is a huge leap.


#35

Do we expect God to give us life? Maybe we should expect God to prevent our existence, then no need to worry about any of this. Would that be better?
Why do we not call God into the dock for an explanation of what we consider good?

We take good for granted, and we blame someone God for everything that is bad.
The problem is that our gratitude does not match our outrage.

But at the end of our lives we all die a temporal death. So I guess we can all lament the injustice of death. Will our outrage at God prevent out temporal deaths? Good luck.

Or, on the other hand, we can be thankful in the midst of everything, to the best of our ability.


#36

I do not intend to give you a bad name. If that’s how you feel like this is what I am doing then I apologize.

I still think it still is best not to speculate on what God’s intentions are especially when it comes to difficult circumstances. Our limited intellectual capacity does not even compare to God’s omniscience so we often end up being wrong on our speculations.


#37
  1. This life is transient like the wind and we will all die.
  2. Only God is permanent.
  3. We can not protect ourselves or others.
  4. There is a huge sexual disease in humanity.
  5. There is a huge violence disease in humanity.
  6. Do we have faith that we will live eternally beyond this life and that any injustice in this life will be made right?
  7. Do we protect our children adequately?
  8. Are we able to forgive something so ugly since it really is only temporary? Only Sin is truly dangerous.
  9. A future life of sin was prevented.
  10. A possible conversion or condemnation for the attacker.
  11. A renewed view of important things for family members.
  12. A deeper love for the girl and an eternal positive memory of her.
    etc., etc.

Infinite blessings, while the act had nothing Godly in it and could not have happened without the actions of evil men and angels. But God is able to make right all injustices and we mature in ways that are very difficult to learn from just hearing without experiencing. It takes almost all of us to experience very trying events to finally begin to think straight and stop living in delusion.


#38

So God allowed this five year old girl to be tortured and raped and killed because Adam and Eve committed a sin thousands of years ago? BTW, I thought that the stories in Genesis were not taken literally? Or should they be taken literally?


#39

I totally agree with you on that, and I am certain you meant nothing bad by your post. God bless.


#40

:slight_smile: :rofl: :laughing: It depends. If the literal interpretation is useful for the apologist, then it must be taken literally. If it is detrimental to the argument, then it cannot be taken literally. How wonderfully “consistent”.


#41

They are to be taken literally and at face value.

And yes, suffering in this life is a punishment for Original Sin.

Now, God is foremost the Good.

And being the good, he is perfectly just and perfectly merciful.

Therefore, at the final judgment, justice will be perfectly dispensed to the victim and perpetrator and mercy will be perfectly dispensed to the victim and perpetrator in accordance with his full and complete knowledge.

This is our consolation- God is the supreme Good.


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