How does one go about switching Rites


#1

If you were born in an Western Rite, how do you become an Eastern Catholic?

Also, just wondering if they would see the following as valid, not saying that they would do this, just wondering if they would see it as valid.

-sprinkling rather than emersion

-unleavened host

-Veneration of Catholic saints that were so called “Anti-orthodox” such as Saint Leo IX

Again, not saying that they WOULD DO IT… just saying is it seen as “okay” or acceptable from their point of view


#2

Catholic doctrine is universal.

Outside of special circumstances, it is generally not possible to canonically switch rites. You can attend Mass at an Eastern Catholic Church and receive the Eucharist and confession there, but you would still be subject to the Latin Church’s laws.


#3

Generally speaking, you need permission from both the eastern sui juris church and the Latin bishop.

Although you do not need to officially change rites to receive sacraments in a different sui juris church.

There are no doctrinal differences between the Latin Rite and the Eastern Rite Catholic churches.That isn’t a very good reason to change.


#4

What sort of circumstances do you have in mind? Because it happens with some frequency and no particular special circumstances exist other than the desire of a person to switch.


#5

Canonical transfers occur regularly?

My understanding was that that was usually only possible in the case of an inter-Church marriage.


#7

Not saying that’s why I wanted to join. I wanted to switch because the Liturgy and the Theology seem a bit more appealing to me.


#8

I know someone on Instagram who apparently switched rites and I asked this because I wanted to know if I could aswell


#9

The theology is the same


#10

Actually they are only bound by Theologia Prima equally, they have minor differences between them


#11

All Catholics are bound to accept the authoritative teachings of the Church. There are, of course, many Catholics of every rite, who reject this obligation on one grounds or another.


#12

I know many, many people who have transferred, including two very fine priests and their wives.

Of the many canonical transfers that I have known, I only know three that have been questioned with at all… Only one of those was rejected. My former made it pretty clear that it was a rubber stamping process from his point of view.


#13

There’s probably a form you fill out someplace…


#14

The person requesting transfer has to write a letter to the receiving Bishop. That person’s receiving pastor also writes a letter to the bishop. If the receiving Bishop chooses to accept the person, he contacts the current bishop and the transfer is arranged through them.

The paperwork is done and sent to the pastor of the receiving Parish. It is signed by the person and two witnesses.

In the case of marriage, the transfer is noted at the time of marriage. This is what my mother did.


#15

Those special circumstances include “feel spiritually at home” in the other rite . . . it is quite unusual to not granted the change when requesting it.

Uh, no.

Just plain “no”.

There is a special provision that allows the wife to just transition to her husband’s at marriage with no permission needed, or to “ride along” on his change of ritual church. She can also return to her own at his death, if she so chooses.

As long as you’ve experienced it enough, and are involved with your eastern parish, it’s generally easily and quickly done.

It also doesn’t go to Rome any more; just the sending and receiving bishops.

You can only do it once in a lifetime, though.

The biggest obstacle is getting stuck in a pile of paper on a desk

:crazy_face::scream::rofl:

No.

The faith is the same; the theology (the understanding of the faith) is quite different.

And Roman Catholics on this forum have a tendency to grossly overstate the extent of such teachings. Just today, I’ve seen statements that directly contradict, for example, the terms of the Union of Brest. Seeing statements that directly contradict various papal encyclicals is also common . . .

hawk


#16

How are they different, can you explain?


#17

We share the same faith but our theology is different.

ZP


#18

Catholic doctrine is universal. Anything in the realm of speculative opinion is fair game for Latin and Eastern Catholics.


#19

I stand corrected on the part about transferring.


#20

In five volumes or less? :rofl::crazy_face::joy:

It’s a whole different approach. The West wants detail and precise statements; the East is quite happy with mystery.

Some of my favorite examples:

  • If given a list of choices, the Western theologian will tell you at exactly what point the bread & wine become the Body & Blood. Offered the same list, the Eastern will reply, “yes”
  • The west approaches sin in a “judicial” manner; the east in a medical manner
  • The west imposes a duty to attend its liturgy under penalty of sin; the East agrees that you are obligated–not out of sin, but obligated in the same way that we are obligated to breathe, as we can’t survive without it. . .

And since you asked so nicely, you get the premiere of my new example that I’ve been contemplating regarding the Filioque :):joy::rofl:

The greek of the creed uses a verb meaning “proceeds in origin”, one of a half dozen or so that translate to the latin/english “proceed”. (yes, the Filioque is a linguistic problem, not a theological one :bang_head::scream:)

Anyway, suppose a language with a single verb “traverse” that includes walking, running, swimming, riding on animal or vehicle, etc.

Now make a statement of faith about Peter and Christ. The walking would translate to, “Peter traversed the water towards Jesus.”

It absolutely fits our understanding.

Now suppose that the people speaking that language note that the other apostles were going that way, too, in the boat. Using their language, they state that , “Peter and the other Apostles traversed the water towards Jesus.”

Absolutely correct in their language–but translate it back to Latin or English, and everyone in site will blow a gasket (and justifiably so!).

hawk


#21

What doctrine would you say is universal between Latin and Byzantine for example?

ZP


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