How has the Pennsylvania scandal affected you personally?


#331

I’m not ashamed or embarrassed. I’m just more focused on other aspects of this issue than the victims. Like I said, they have a huge outpouring of support these days, and I am sympathetic to them as well, but I’m more interested in other aspects, such as how this will affect the justice system and legislation.


#332

That’s great! I will not hinder you from where you feel you are called.

Please give me the same respect.

God bless


#333

Just curious, but where is this “huge outpouring of support” coming from within the Church, where it is needed the most?


#334

#335

Actions speak louder than words. I’ll gratefully receive the Eucharist, but I’ll pass on the kool aid.


#336

Then you’re basically just saying, you won’t be satisfied no matter what the Church or anybody says or does. Which is your prerogative, but don’t be saying “where is the outpouring of sympathy” if you reject it when it’s offered.


#337

It hasn’t affected me personally. I am praying for the victims and perpetrators and all priests and religious especially as they will often take the negative impact more heartily that all of us. Especially those in the US as it is closer to home. Here we pray for them in mass as we do for any other massive tragedy occurring in the world. I haven’t had to defend my faith anywhere though or been asked about it in relation to the abuses, but then that may be more because I am not often out.

I always pray for priest anyway because they are more likely to be attacked by the devil as they can do so much good for God that if the devil can stop one of them then he is saving himself a lot of work, I saw it written once that priests in particular have a sort of target sign on them for the devil. So in times like this I think it shows us why we must pray for them to stop the devil getting even one bullseye. I am not saying the priests and those covering up aren’t to blame, but any one of us have sinned in the past perhaps not in that particular way but in some way, so we cant throw stones. I think we should pray for all involved, make moves to insure our children and adults are safe and these sorts of things are not kept under wraps. I am no expert so the hows of that must be worked out through the experts. The victims need help and time to grieve and work through this so they can heal and for that they need God and the church. I think they need to know that God loves them very much and will help them through this it is important that while this happened in the church, it is not seen as all the church is, however challenging that may be. Only with God can this ever be put together again. I have seen various Catholic sites directing people to sites teaching adults how to learn about this so it seems to be in place.


#340

Of possible interest.

https://www.catholicleague.org/pennsylvania-grand-jury-report-debunked-2/

Myth : Over 300 priests were found guilty of preying on youngsters in Pennsylvania.

Fact : No one was found guilty of anything. Yet that didn’t stop CBS from saying “300 ‘predator priests’ abused more than 1,000 children over a period of 70 years.” These are all accusations, most of which were never verified by either the grand jury or the dioceses.

Myth : The grand jury report was initiated to make the guilty pay.

Fact : False. It has nothing to do with punishing the guilty. Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh “Salacious” Shapiro admitted on August 14 that “Almost every instance of child abuse (the grand jury) found was too old to be prosecuted.” He’s right. But he knew that from the get-go, so why did he pursue this dead end?

Why did he waste millions of taxpayer dollars in pursuit of alleged offenders when he knew he couldn’t do anything about it? Because he, and his predecessor, Kathleen Kane (who is now in prison for lying under oath and misusing her Attorney General’s office) wanted to shame the Catholic Church.

Kane and Shapiro have never sought to shame


#341

yes, they were allegations, but allegations that were serious enough that the bishops of each of those 6 dioceses freely turned over to the report. just because they weren’t proven in a court of law doesn’t mean much to me, because this is what those dioceses were freely admitting


#343

Now, you know better. They’re just people, not divine beings.

Politicians say the same thing. I don’t trust anyone and never will.

Isn’t that only in matters of the Faith? Once again, they’re just people.


#344

This disturbs me that it came from a Catholic source. It fails to mention that the information gathered was provided by the Church itself.

Also, the reason why these incidents were never investigated was bc the Church did not disclose the incidents to authorities and instead kept them locked in a secret vault until they were forced by law to hand them over, well beyond the Satute of Limitations in most cases.

Whatever the reasoning behind the Grand Jury investigation, the evidence presented is credible due to the fact it was written by the Church’s own hand.


#345

So you think every priest, every Bishop and every Cardinal knew? Because I sure don’t.


#346

The Catholic dioceses were subpoenaed to turn over all their records, and they complied. The grand jury went through half a million pages of diocesan documents which I imagine included everything from allegations of child abuse to where the diocese purchases their staplers from. Even if an allegation was uncredible and/or unsubstantiated, the document of the allegation would still be there in the diocesan archives for the grand jury to retrieve.

I’m not trying to say that there is nothing to the report. But it seems plausible to me that at least some of the allegations could be untrue. And it’s difficult to distinguish between the legitimate accusations and the non-legitimate ones as this is a grand jury report, not an actual trial.


#347

Give the man a Golden Cigar! (Yes, they exist)


#348

I’d like to know why every time a scandal hits the Church somebody gets bent out of shape over Meatless Friday? It’s a discipline folks, and it always has been. It’s NOT a doctrine.


#349

Yes, it is possible that “some” of these allegations are untrue. We can also assume that there were more cases that were not reported at all, as is usual in many cases of sexual crimes. I believe the statistic for reporting these types of crimes are 1 out of 3? But I’m not sure.


#350

This made me laugh!! Lol


#351

It actually happened a few posts upthread lol :rofl:


#352

Right. :slight_smile: I think it’s probably because it’s the most readily thought of example of something the Church leaders tell us to do that seems more or less arbitrary. As in, “Why should I let these bishops bind me under pain of mortal sin to not eat meat on Friday while they are perpetrating and/or enabling acts of child abuse?”

I certainly understand that. But recall, even Jesus told people to do all that the Pharisees asked them to do, but just not to live as they lived. He recognized the authority of the Pharisees while also recognizing they did not practice what they preached.

I see these scandals in the same way. If my bishop were a party to this, it would certainly grieve me, but I wouldn’t turn around and say I can go ahead and start eating meat on Friday. I can separate the office (which I will always respect) from the man (who could be a terrible person that I don’t respect).


#353

Certainly. Though I’d imagine the greater number of unreported crimes are additional victims of the priests who have already been named rather than priests who have not been named at all.

Not to discount the true horror of these terrible acts that were committed, but, to some extent, all of this has been gone over before. Very few of these allegations pertain to anything from the 21st century. And those recent cases were all handled quickly and transparently. In my mind, that is an important point that is being overlooked. We already knew that these terrible things had happened. And we have been working to do better these past 15 years. And we have done better these past 15 years.


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