Not sure if you are referencing me or not, but I do believe that Catholicism is the fullness of truth. It is the insitition I am no longer sure about. Praying and fasting and hoping God will provide a clear path for action soon.
I’m so sorry that you feel this way! We all struggle with this tragedy. One thing that I keep telling people: I’m not catholic because of the priests (or the hierarchy)…I’m Catholic because of the Eucharist. So while I respect your decision, I do hope you will give it more thought.
I have to try and abandon this item. It’s effect is too daunting. I read somewhere that if you’re confronted by the enemy you shouldn’t try to fight him yourself and that you should ask for Jesus’ help. Every time a dark thought comes because of this I will say “My Jesus I trust in You.”
The institution and the truth are inseparable. The Church is a human/divine collaboration.
The Church is incarnational by definition. Human/divine, just like Christ.
And so it is to be expected that sinners will sin, and at the same time divine Truth is revealed through the Church.
I don’t believe that to be the case. And I’m glad I do not or I would have already left. I’m at Mass and participating in ministries because of my faith in Catholicism and because of the Eucharist. I teach that to the children in my class and the teens at youth group. If it is necessary for me to hold the institution that has caused so much hurt and made a culture of shaming and covering up as dear and inseperable from the truth, I don’t think I can do that. That is not from the Holy Spirit. Maybe I will have to consider walking away. Praying God shows His light somewhere soon.
That would be a huge mistake. Still, I think that is why Our Lord said:
He said to his disciples, “Things that cause sin will inevitably occur, but woe to the person through whom they occur. It would be better for him if a millstone were put around his neck and he be thrown into the sea than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. Luke 17:1-2
This is why bishops say, “pray for me, pray for me, pray for me.” The thought of being responsible for someone falling away from the faith is devastating, but if that is your position and you know you have frailties, you feel even even more concerned about presumption or the failure to confront your own sin than you did when you were still a layperson. People will quit following the Lord because His teachings are too hard, that is not the fault of those with the duty to preach it, but those who fall away because they were so scandalized by the sins of the shepherds leave open the prospect to a heavy price for both the shepherd and the lost.
The Church is instituted, by nature, by definition.
There is no Church without the people in it and the real structure that it has.
All of these people (that’s you and I) are sinners.
We hold people accountable for sin, but please do not teach your students that the institution is somehow separable from Christ.
That leave you and your students outside the Body of Christ.
Think about it.
We need Catholics to step up and claim the Catholic Church, and take responsibility for the failings of Catholics. That’s community. We are united in goods and in sufferings. If we don’t, nothing will change. We just have more protestantism.
SO ABSOLUTELY TRUE! The devil hates the most what is the TRUEST!
When a shepherd quits doing his duty, to that extent he has separated from “the institution.”
The Church is instituted by Christ and is forever the Institution of Christ and is His Bride. Whoever sullies that brings judgment on himself: “I will thrust you from your office and pull you down from your station.” Is. 22:19
Pray for our priests and especially our bishops, that they will never deserve to hear those words, because the devil our enemy particularly desires to ensnare them, to the degree he is able.
So then are we all complicit in these crimes since we continue to associate ourselves with the hierarchy, continue to place priests in a higher degree of trust and esteem?
I wouldn’t agree with that. We’re not complicit. But I do think we need to stop placing priests and bishops in a place of higher trust and esteem.
Maybe we need to think of them as we would physicians. They know what they know because they studied it more than we did. They can make mistakes and be wrong.
If you’re facing a big dilemma, always get a second opinion. Or a third. And keep searching until you find an answer that heals you.
A few people have blamed the crisis on power and corruption. I disagree. Here’s my analysis:
in the 1940s and 1950s, it was unconscionable that a priest would do these things, so it was swept under the rug. It was so far beyond comprehension that it was ignored.
By the 1960s, people learned that authority could be questioned. Freedom of thought, freedom of conscience became a growing realization in society. We fought against racism, protested the Vietnam war, experienced the sexual revolution, and survived even Vat II. People started to think more for themselves, and became increasingly distrustful of authority figures.
The Church responded with fear. The social upheavals created huge threats to the authority of the Church. The hierarchy was petrified that abuse scandals would further erode what had been chipped away. So they buried their heads in the sand and handled the cases internally, doing their best to pretend lots of prayer and contrition would heal the sinners. It wasn’t power that drove them. It was fear.
By the 1990s, as the Information Age dawned, it became impossible for the Church to hide behind its vestments. But the damage has been done. It’s too late now, folks. Rather than show conviction, fortitude, courage, and strength, they played shell games, obfuscated, and crossed their fingers and rubbed their lucky rabbit’s foot in hopes that no one would notice their systemic, institutional, foundational failures to abide by the most basic sense of morality.
As someone wrote once, “I set the bar so low, I set it on the ground. I even trenched it in a little so it wouldn’t roll away.”
That’s where OUR leadership is now–trying to convince us that it hasn’t been hiding under that bar.
Many bought into the fact that the Devil exists, and he attacks clergy and families.
I feel that concept was ignored for many years. The Devil hates priests, so we were always told to pray for them by name.
I feel like too many people are talking about the devil when it was the priests who did this.
And it has affected me personally. I live in PA and my uncle was a priest in Scranton, and we are related to the current bishop of Scranton. I felt a huge sigh of relief to see nobody we recognized.
Although in Philly archdiocese, lived and grew up next to Allentown diocese. I am friends with the niece of one of the named bishops. I wanted to throw up but just cried instead.
It’s a pretty well known fact that a demon or minion of the Devil is assigned to every ordained Catholic. I am often told, as is my family, to pray for the priest by name…not just for priests in general. My husband studies this, so I will provide more detail and references.
This popped up on my YouTube channel. It seemed appropriate as it is about showing restraint with minors. A shame the 301 priests didn’t.
This is the first I’ve ever heard of it.
O.k., let’s say it was Satan. So what? Attributing it to Satan is not a solution.
It’s not a solution but an explanation.
Father spoke about the scandal for the second time in three weeks. He was in tears and in a rage, demanding accountability from the bishops. I knew he was a nice guy but it’s taken the crisis to recognize what a good and holy priest I have.