How long has the mantilla been used at the TLM?

Iam only curious, how long has the mantilla been used by women at the Tridentine Mass? 100 years? or longer?
what is the history of the mantilla? have women always worn the mantilla to the TLM for centuries?

Are you asking about the mantilla specifically or simply the tradition of women veiling at church?

the tradition of women wearing it at church.

Since the time of the Apostles: 1 Corinthians 11:1-17

It was a Jewish custom prior to that as well.

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Veils for women are even older than the New Testament.

They have been in use nearly forever.

I imagine they started sometime after Adam and Eve were banished from Eden.

And they have never actually ‘stopped’. The Catholic Church has never in any document asked for the veils to be removed.

It just…sort of…happened.

Just like how Eucharistic Ministers just sort of ‘became’ the norm, despite how they were intended to only be present at large gatherings where communion could not de distributed in the normal fashion.

I know several women who attend a Novus Ordo parish and still wear their veils.

I encourage the op to wear a veil.

After all, the Mother of God did…

yes, she did. but veils are long and can be heavy unless made to be light and comfrotable. i have a long blue scarf that covers my head likea mantilla, and i prefer to wear it. it is quite lovely.

Mantillas have been used for the entire history of the Church and predate it in Judaism.

The TLM I go to keeps a box of clean lace mantillas for use by women who dont have any. It is a good tradition.

Just dont wrap a veil around your face with only the eyes showing or you’ll look like a muslim.

not to worry, i don’t like things covering my face, makes me feel claustrophobic.

I can’t remember exactly when we stopped covering our heads in church. I remember wearing hats in grade school on Sunday and of course that ubiquitous red beanie every dingdong day. That’s was a trial for the “older” girls because it really wrecked your hair. By the time I was in 7th or 8th grade, we were allowed to wear a chapel veil…sort of a round lace doily especially for the purpose of going to church. It just sat there and left your hair alone. I can remember my mother in a chapel veil. She was really tiny and the mantilla overwhelmed her. In high school, we had a beret with out uniforms, but sometime in those years, head coverings disappeared.

Mantillas, as per Merriam Webster, are light scarves worn over the head and shoulders especially by Spanish and Latin-American women.
When North American women veil this is what we generally mean. But it was not always the headcovering of choice.
When I was growing up women and girls wore silk, polyester or cotton scarves as a rule, rather than a lace mantilla. Hats were worn. Lace chapel caps (doileys) were popular also.
While mantillas appear to be the veil of choice presently it would not be inappropriate to wear scarves or shawls to cover one’s head. But mantillas and chapel caps seem to be the covering of the moment.

Lol. :smiley:

Very ecumenical of Caesar isnt it?

Found it funny as well :slight_smile:

Oh yes, I am very ecumenical. We can learn a lot from our Brethren :wink:

From my expericence, my mother and my sister wore hats up until about 1962. Lace chaplets and mantillas were introduced after that point and worn until the 70s. In the early 70s women ceased wearing any kind of head covering.

I will be sure to remember you as an E-Martyr when you get banned for promoting the truth. :wink:

There are martyrs for all kinds of things.
I think you would be surpised at sometimes how convientent a nikab is. But I digress…

In my local haunt, a lot of people cover their heads using the ethnic dress rather than a scarf. Ends up looking like this:

Reading this thread has brought back many memories. As several posters have said, until the late 1960’s or early 1970’s women always covered their heads in the Catholic Church. Men always removed their hats (I nearly fell over last Saturday evening at Mass, when a young man went up to Communion wearing a hat!) Mantillas were not commonly worn in the United States. They were considered to a Latin thing, Spanish or Italian. Look at the pictures of people in church that you find in reprints of children’s books about the Mass from the 1950’s. Women and girls are always wearing hats. Daeve reminded me of those little red beanies. We were confirmed in the 5th grade, and the girls wore white robes. We had to cover their heads so we were given red beanies which we could keep. We also had the little chapel veils in our purses for quick visits to the Blessed Sacrament. For Sunday Mass and other formal occasions, hats were worn. There is no Tridentine Mass wear I live, but I have purchased a couple of mantillas in case I get the opportunity to go to one. Unfortunately wearing a mantilla at an NO Mass seems to be taken as some kind of a political statement. When I want to cover my head, I wear a good looking hat!

Even though my family is mainly Irish, my grandmother fell in love with the mantilla on a visit to Mexico in the 1930s. Consequently, she bought most of the women in the family mantillas everytime she visited Mexico. I don’t remember them being worn by other women at mass until Jackie Kennedy was photographed several times leaving Mass wearing one. And for those that don’t know, Jackie set the fashion for American women in 1961.

I sure wish more women at my church wore mantillias. a couple of years ago, I was moved to wear one in adoration. I’ve been wearing one ever since to both adoration and mass. I had never covered my head in church before, but it just felt so natural. Like putting on a pair of glasses that had been missing for a while. My mom started covering her head at the same time as me. we sine in the choir and sometimes, it seems wierd because we are practically the only ones. But I only care with God thinks anyway. I love my mantillia :slight_smile:

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