How to explain the dangers on Twilight to kids


#1

I am dating a woman who has two kids from a previous marriage age 6 and 9. She let them see the first two twilight movies and enjoyed them herself. Now she realizes the agenda of the movies and the things that go against our faith, etc. They want to see the next movie. How do we explain that the movies are inappropriate now that they have seen the first two? Are there any resources out there? Thanks


#2

Mom says, "Eclipse is rated PG13 and both of you, at 6 & 9 are too young to see this movie. I know I let you see the other movies..I have no IDEA what I was thinking because they were also completely inappropriate. Neither one of you need to see such graphic scenes of violence.. not to mention the whole love story triangle was not written for little kids, which BOTH of you are. Instead of seeing this movie, we'll see something more geared for kids your age.. or we could do something else fun like bowling or the park."

End of discussion.


#3

It's PG-13, has graphic violence, and the next film will have sexual relations in it (can be PG-13 or R depending on how they choose to make it; in the book it's implied but you never know). It's for teenagers, not for kids.

The "love triangle" is not for kids but deals with a situation where a girl likes two boys at the same time but knows she has to choose just one. It's not promoting bigamy. Eventually Bella will marry one of them and the other guy will find someone else.

I don't see anything wrong with teens and adults seeing the film, but it's PG-13 and not for elementary school kids and younger.


#4

Are we living on different planets? What on earth are you talking about?

Would you please name the films in question?


#5

There's plenty of Catholic/Christian move review sites that break things down for you.

Here's just one example.

americancatholic.org/movies/default.aspx

The bottom line is to only let your kids see movies that are age appropriate, but more important, content appropriate...that speak the message you want your kids to hear.

When the time is right, watch the movie with them in the comfort of your home and using the pause button to have a few teaching opportunities along the way.

Good luck and God Bless,
Crash001


#6

I haven't seen it but I'm pretty sure this is accurate:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/291/633839569142980630twili.jpg:thumbsup:


#7

[quote="beeliner, post:4, topic:203622"]
Are we living on different planets? What on earth are you talking about?

Would you please name the films in question?

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The OP said, "the first two twilight movies." The 3rd is coming out and he wants to know what the best way to go about explaining to a 6 and 9 year old why they can't watch it.

My answer: "Because I said so." ( I know, I know... not politically correct) ;)


#8

[quote="Tietjen, post:7, topic:203622"]
The OP said, "the first two twilight movies."

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I was hoping for actual titles.

I was just curious. I don't go to a lot of movies, but I see them advertised on TV and wondered what the films were about, who the players are, and in what way, if any, the films were objectionable.

Of course parents should monitor their children's choice of films.


#9

She should probably see the movie first herself, let the children see it (the cats already out of the bag) then have a discussion about what she finds wrong with it and LISTEN to what her children say.

Forbidden fruit is always the sweetest, better that they see it with their mom because they WILL see it, at least the nine year old will, if not in her presence then at the home of a friend.

Those movies are so gruesome that I can't bear the idea of sitting thru one at my advanced age....I don't understand why she let such young children go to them in the first place, but since she did, it would be illogical to not let them see the third one.


#10

[quote="Tietjen, post:7, topic:203622"]
The OP said, "the first two twilight movies." The 3rd is coming out and he wants to know what the best way to go about explaining to a 6 and 9 year old why they can't watch it.

My answer: "Because I said so." ( I know, I know... not politically correct) ;)

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This isn't a good way to respond to children who are old enough to understand.

The Bible says that parents (fathers) shouldn't provoke their children. Just throwing authority around with no logical reason is very provoking. It creates an antagonistic "parent vs. child" attitude, and it cuts off communication, which is vital for good parent/child relationships.

I agree with those who have said that the best explanation is that "PG13 means that the movie is not appropriate for their age and that when they are 13, they can watch the movies." This is logical, and it's not just an opinion, it's a fact. The ratings organizations, not parents, have determined that PG13 movies are appropriate for ages 13 and above. So if the kids have a gripe with this, they can get mad at the ratings organizations, not their parents!

I would also say that this means you must be super diligent in the future and consistent--there are other great children's movies that are surprisingly rated PG13 for reasons other than sex, violence, and bad language (e.g., intense suspense). Do not slip up and allow your children to watch THESE movies, because they will call you out on your hypocrisy!

One suggestion--get hold of the old Dark Shadows episodes (available on DVD or video). Borrow them from a fan unless you are willing to spend a lot of money.

When I was a young child, this show swept the country and children of all ages were watching Barnabas the vampire and Quentin the werewolf. (I personally was Team Barnabas, and my mother was Team Quentin!) This show was very appealing to children, and although religious teachers at the time predicted that we would all fall into sin and be doomed to hell from watching the show, most of us turned out pretty good. The show was basically "good vs. evil", with no violence (the violence happened off-camera)--this "fairy tale" or "morality story" was good for children because it taught us to cheer for good and boo for evil. (Barnabas and Quentin were basically good even though they bore curses--for an analysis of their characters, read Romans 7--seriously).

There is still a very large and enthusiastic fan-base for this show, and tell your kids this--one of the biggest Dark Shadows fans is Johnny Depp--he used to run home from school to watch Dark Shadows! He has announced that he and Tim Burton will join forces to create a new Dark Shadows movie with himself playing the role of his childhood hero, Barnabas Collins! I can't wait! I hope he gets going on this soon. He's a busy guy. I think he's waiting for the Twilight thing to reach its height and THEN he'll come out with the movie (right about the time your 6 and 9 year olds are 13 and 16!)

So if your children start watching the old show now, they will be cool and know all about the Collins family, Barnabas, Quentin, Angelique, Josette, Elizabeth, Julia, and all the rest of the great characters and plots on DS when Depp comes out with his DS movie!

You can find all the info about Dark Shadows by Googling for hours. There are lots of websites and fan sites, and Jonathan Frid, the actor who played Barnabas in the old series, has a delightful webpage with many of his essays about Shakespeare, English history, etc. Don't let the fangs scare you away--little kids have always loved monsters. Think of how many fairy tales for children involve "monsters." It's just part of being a child. Even Pa in the Little House books played a game called "Mad Dog" with Laura and Mary when they were tiny little girls. It's OK.


#11

I agree- play the PG13 card.

I actually love Twilight- the books and the movies. But I am an adult and also work hard to have a well-formed conscience.

There is no way my 6 year old would be seeing Twilight. It's way too morally ambiguous.

My 6 year old watches Transformers (the old 80s cartoon from my childhood) and kids' movies. When he understands and has a better formed conscience (like, when he is a teenager) maybe he can watch movies that are aimed a teenage audience, like Twilight or Harry Potter.


#12

Not a fan of silly vampire stories or teen love drama, so I haven't read or seen the Twilight saga. But from what I gather there's no "agenda" in it anymore than an agenda in Dracula or werewolf stories and the like. So if you're worried about "Satanic elements" or get twisted up like some do about Harry Potter (for no reason) then please take a moment to actually read the novels or at least summaries as I have. There's no hidden pagan message here.

However, Twilight is a lot like The Vampire Diaries, which I have seen since I find it to be hilarious. The themes/relationships in that series, however, are definitely more for older teens and certainly not for little kids. I'd probably stick to that line; tell the kids that the new movies are for older kids and they can see them when they're older like the characters. Then take them to Toy Story 3.


#13

[quote="Cat, post:10, topic:203622"]
This isn't a good way to respond to children who are old enough to understand.

The Bible says that parents (fathers) shouldn't provoke their children. Just throwing authority around with no logical reason is very provoking. It creates an antagonistic "parent vs. child" attitude, and it cuts off communication, which is vital for good parent/child relationships.

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Cat, I respect that you and I have differing opinions on child rearing; however, since I have reared 3 young men of my own without a breakdown in communication or a weakened parent/child relationship, I will have to disagree. My answer to the OP on this particular subject was more tongue-N-cheek than solid parenting technique and certainly I understood that I was crossing the line of political correctness by making the statement. However, a parent isn't obligated to explain his/herself to a child over every decision made within the home. And should a parent use, "because I said so" as an answer to a child's "why?" it certainly will not destroy the relationship. I'm "old school." I always have and always will be. As a result, my children have grown into young men who will benefit society. I didn't baby them nor cuddle them when they were young. As they grew older I was open to explaining myself more and more. But to explain yourself to younger children every time you, as a parent, make a decision is ridiculous. Did God explain Himself to Moses when he gave him the 10 Commandments? If He didn't, was He being antagonistic or provoking? Nah, God isn't worried about being politically correct either. And besides, look at our society today and tell me that these "politically correct" liberal based social attitudes are working. LOL - We old timers may not be all touchy feely but our children are productive, responsible, and respected members of society because of our "provoking/antagonistic" style of parenting. :D


#14

i dont rrecomend letting your childrens watch twilight it is just wrong for catholic people and wrong for catholic people as a whole you see where i come from we no about a little idea we like to call "decentcy" and if she doesnt understand that she may not have what it takes to be good mother overall my mother also didnt raise me very well. ive lived poor my hole life and i lost my way for a little while and was also twilight fan but i didnt have enough money to pay four all the books and movies. because of this i began selling my body and losing the sanctity of my vajinal cavaties just so i could see this movie. but now i have found god and i realise childrens should not watch this movie either and it inappropriate and its the devil. this movie goes against everything we stand for thank you and good night


#15

[quote="billy_christ, post:14, topic:203622"]
i dont rrecomend letting your childrens watch twilight it is just wrong for catholic people and wrong for catholic people as a whole you see where i come from we no about a little idea we like to call "decentcy" and if she doesnt understand that she may not have what it takes to be good mother overall my mother also didnt raise me very well. ive lived poor my hole life and i lost my way for a little while and was also twilight fan but i didnt have enough money to pay four all the books and movies. because of this i began selling my body and losing the sanctity of my vajinal cavaties just so i could see this movie. but now i have found god and i realise childrens should not watch this movie either and it inappropriate and its the devil. this movie goes against everything we stand for thank you and good night

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First - Too much information. If what you are saying concerning your upbringing and lifestyle are true, I feel for you and fully support your decision to change your lifestyle.

Second - The question is "How to explain the dangers on Twilight to kids." Not whether the movie is alright for younger children to watch. That is assumed, as the mom of those children is trying to come up with ideas on how to explain why they can't watch it.

Third - Calling into question the OP's qualifications for motherhood is inappropriate to say the least.

Four - Being raised "poor" does NOT go hand in hand in determining whether or not a father or mother is or isn't a good parent. So to include that in the description of your upbringing and then to suggest that this was somehow a contributing factor to the situation that you choose earlier is, in my opinion, unfair toward your mother.

Lastly - Neither books nor movies are "the devil." Only the devil is the devil. The question is whether they are appropriate or inappropriate for children. In this case the OP has determined that they are inappropriate for her young children (a position that many and myself share).


#16

The OP has cross posted this across the internet if he's not a troll he's defiantly looking for some reaction.

Although with Billy I also smell troll.

OP is NOT the parent. Therefore he has NO say in how the children are raised. Once he's married then he and the mother can talk. If the mother is on board all that needs to be said is that the movies are getting too mature for them and they can watch them when they are 13. Likely, however, a well meaning friend will let them watch as soon as they are on DVD. The real idea is to approach the subject with parental authority wich the OP dosn't have.

Also if the OP is "live in" the mother will just make herself look foolish discussing morality with her children.

Lastly, the kids are 6 and 9...really? the first twilight movie came out over a year ago. The mom let a 4 or 5 year old watch the movie???? Are you kidding me? If so, there's alot more that needs to be done than just twilight.


#17

[quote="purplesunshine, post:16, topic:203622"]
Lastly, the kids are 6 and 9...really? the first twilight movie came out over a year ago. The mom let a 4 or 5 year old watch the movie???? Are you kidding me? If so, there's alot more that needs to be done than just twilight.

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Good point.


#18

just saw the midnight showing of Eclipes (the 3rd twilight movie). there was one young kid there and i was so sad that he would have these images (fight scenes) in his little head forever. i did see that he fell asleep so maybe he didnt see it all. But as far as fight scenes go it is far less gorry then other movies because the people fighting dont have any blood. so its just like shattering pottery? i usually dont watch fight scenes so this fact made it easier to watch.

One thing i would like to add. the good thing about these books is that the love triangle is not an immoral one. the girl loves one boy as a friend/brother, and the other one as a boyfriend. The friend/brother of course loves the girl as he would a girlfriend. THIS happends a lot in the teenage years. She navigates being a friend and having a boyfriend very well. not just dumping her friend since she is in love. And there is NO sex. The vampire boy has amazing self control and is a great example to boys and men. He will not more then kiss her until they are married. My girls will not read or watch the movies till later teen years if at all. we will do a lot of talking about Lust and how we never want to be obsessed with a person. But other then that the messages are good ones. And since vampires and warewolfs are not real it takes a fantasy world and entertainingly plays out real life situations.


#19

[quote="stayathomemommy, post:18, topic:203622"]
just saw the midnight showing of Eclipes (the 3rd twilight movie). there was one young kid there and i was so sad that he would have these images (fight scenes) in his little head forever. i did see that he fell asleep so maybe he didnt see it all. But as far as fight scenes go it is far less gorry then other movies because the people fighting dont have any blood. so its just like shattering pottery? i usually dont watch fight scenes so this fact made it easier to watch.

One thing i would like to add. the good thing about these books is that the love triangle is not an immoral one. the girl loves one boy as a friend/brother, and the other one as a boyfriend. The friend/brother of course loves the girl as he would a girlfriend. THIS happends a lot in the teenage years. She navigates being a friend and having a boyfriend very well. not just dumping her friend since she is in love. And there is NO sex. The vampire boy has amazing self control and is a great example to boys and men. He will not more then kiss her until they are married. My girls will not read or watch the movies till later teen years if at all. we will do a lot of talking about Lust and how we never want to be obsessed with a person. But other then that the messages are good ones. And since vampires and warewolfs are not real it takes a fantasy world and entertainingly plays out real life situations.

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:thumbsup: I agree. Very good post.


#20

[quote="rayne89, post:19, topic:203622"]
:thumbsup: I agree. Very good post.

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I agree too! :thumbsup:

My higherschoolers have read/seen the movies.. their little sibs of course have not. I don't understand what all the broohaha is over it not being "Catholic." Of course it isn't - but neither is the Wizard of Oz and we really like that story too.

In his homilies, my Priest sometimes refrences movies he has seen and enjoyed .. I saw Slum Dog because he said that movie had such a powerful message of the power of the human spirit to survive. It wasn't "Catholic" either.. but it was good.

To each his own.. :shrug:


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