Hypocrisy, the rating system & Matthew 7:1

I normally don’t pay attention to my rating but the other day I looked at it and it appeared darker. So I went clicking around and noticed that some anonymous person posted a negative comment telling me that I should not judge others (Matthew 7:1) because by the measure that I judge, so I shall be judged.

I wonder if this person saw the hypocrisy in their actions – telling me not to judge others but at the same time passing judgement upon me (Matthew 7:5).

And thinking further upon this, I wonder if the reputation system is indeed in keeping with Matthew 7:1? :confused:

I really like the rating system, and the reason why posted as a sticky in the questions forum. We judge, or as the women call it gossip. Hypocrisy isn’t a bad thing, rather be a hypocrite then have no standards at all. Usually people call another a hypocrite when they don’t want to be judge for their sins. Wear your negativity with a badge I guess.

[quote=Sir Knight]I normally don’t pay attention to my rating but the other day I looked at it and it appeared darker. So I went clicking around and noticed that some anonymous person posted a negative comment telling me that I should not judge others (Matthew 7:1) because by the measure that I judge, so I shall be judged.

I wonder if this person saw the hypocrisy in their actions – telling me not to judge others but at the same time passing judgement upon me (Matthew 7:5).

And thinking further upon this, I wonder if the reputation system is indeed in keeping with Matthew 7:1? :confused:
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I see your point… but, if people don’t believe your judgement is indeed in keeping with Matthew 7:1, then i suppose they have as much right to post on your reputaion site their opinion as it were. Are you insinuating that you have never posted a negative comment on anyones reputation site who’s judgement differed from yours? I have no idea, i’m only asking… but, it seems that’s the purpose of these forums… and you don’t have to be around long to have several not only disagree with you judgements but call you all sorts of hateful names…

don’t take this wrong, but i guess what i am saying here, is if you can’t take the heat…well you know the rest… you got to have a thick skin to stay in these forums for long, especially if you lay your opinion out for everyone to judge…

If you want to help improve the reputaions site, Refuse to buy into the negative comments yourself, and you might do a little self-reflection and ask yourself… could i do a more charitable job in my judgement of others opinions… just a suggestion… what do you think? :thumbsup:

I just find it unbelieveable that somebody would reprimand me for judging someone and then turn around in the same breath and pass judgement on me.

It just boggles my mind.

I could understand if I was being reprimanded for being rude or some other offense but to judge me for judging others, just doesn’t make any sense to me :confused:

[quote=Sir Knight]I just find it unbelieveable that somebody would reprimand me for judging someone and then turn around in the same breath and pass judgement on me.
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Hypocrisy is a good thing, according to them :slight_smile:

It makes no sense, so don’t worry :slight_smile:

[quote=Sir Knight]I just find it unbelieveable that somebody would reprimand me for judging someone and then turn around in the same breath and pass judgement on me.

It just boggles my mind.

I could understand if I was being reprimanded for being rude or some other offense but to judge me for judging others, just doesn’t make any sense to me :confused:
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do you see what your writing???

you can’t believe that someone would judge your judgement… what did you just do… get a cup of coffee… step away from the computer, you will be ok… :thumbsup:

[quote=space ghost]… Are you insinuating that you have never posted a negative comment on anyones reputation site who’s judgement differed from yours? …
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That is indeed correct. I have used the reputation feature ONLY once (admins can verify this) and that was to post a positive rating to someone who invited me here.

Unless someone directly insults me, I don’t think that I should be negatively contributing to how they are viewed.

[quote=Sir Knight]That is indeed correct. I have used the reputation feature ONLY once (admins can verify this) and that was to post a positive rating to someone who invited me here.

Unless someone directly insults me, I don’t think that I should be negatively contributing to how they are viewed.
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if what you say about your use of the reputation system is true, and i believe it is, i applaud you…

if someone directly insults you…? aren’t we supposed to turn the other cheek… especially on an apologetics site… :confused:

[quote=space ghost]do you see what your writing???

you can’t believe that someone would judge your judgement… what did you just do… get a cup of coffee… step away from the computer, you will be ok… :thumbsup:
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I’m saying that if I pass judgement on others, I have no business reprimanding someone who does the same thing. If I’m a liar, I have no business reprimanding another liar. If I’m a thief, I have no business reprimanding someone who steals.

Does that make better sense?

[quote=Sir Knight]I’m saying that if I pass judgement on others, I have no business reprimanding someone who does the same thing. If I’m a liar, I have no business reprimanding another liar. If I’m a thief, I have no business reprimanding someone who steals.

Does that make better sense?
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but it’s all a personal call… you think their being judgemental, and they think your being judgemental…uggg… never mind, you have converted me to your way of thinking, i give up… Peace… i need some if you don’t… :thumbsup:

[quote=space ghost] … if someone directly insults you…? aren’t we supposed to turn the other cheek… especially on an apologetics site… :confused:
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It’s not so much the insult part – I’ve got pretty thick skin. I just can’t understand how someone could reprimand me for doing the same thing that they did?

A thief can reprimand a liar. A liar can reprimand a thief but a thief has no business reprimanding another thief nor a liar reprimanding another liar. See what I’m saying?

Maybe you’re right. Maybe I just get another bottle of Mountain Dew and forget about the whole thing.

… but it just boggles my mind …

I’m confused here…did someone judge YOU, or did someone judge WHAT YOU SAID?

This is an important distinction that drives me wild, frankly. You hear it all the time, for example, from homosexuals who say, ‘You’re judgemental, you’re judging me!’ when you are judging their actions to be death to their souls.

We all have to judge actions and situations and facts; none of us CAN - none of us is CAPABLE to - judge the state of someone else’s soul.

You’ve got to clarify terms.

Can you judge the actions of someone? Of course, all the time: that guy ran a red light - period. It happened. The cop saw it. He gets a ticket and pays the fine. Your kid threw that rock through the neighbor’s window, destroying his property. It happened. It was bad. Discipline must follow. If you start saying, ‘Well, no one can judge anyone’ and don’t distinguish between judging souls (which is God’s domain) and judging actions (which we all have to do), then you might as well get rid of the ten commandments, the police force and the court system - we don’t need them if we should never judge anybody’s actions for fear of being judged ourselves.

You have to be so careful with, ‘A thief can’t judge a thief.’ Too many parents fall into that illogical thinking and use it as an excuse not to train their children: “Well, if I stayed out all night and got drunk when I was 14, how can I tell my child not to do it?” It’s precisely because you HAVE committed that sin, seen the evil of it and repented that you are in a position to know what you’re talking about when you say, ‘You shouldn’t get drunk.’

But whether you’ve done it yourself doesn’t matter. Should every judge on the bench be someone who has never, ever told a lie, thus making him suitable for judging when someone has committed perjury? We have objective standards, laws, commandments, that we use to judge people’s actions. We don’t judge in comparison to ourselves and our perfect behavior; we judge according to the laws God has laid down. Any old sinner can do that.

If I am currently now making my living by stealing, there’s a difference between saying, ‘Stealing is wrong, so don’t do it’ (judging the action), and ‘You’re a bad person because you steal’ (judging the person, and being a hypocrite into the bargain). The distinction seems lost in this discussion.

Judging actions is different from judging people: “Hate the sin and love the sinner” illustrates this principle. We MUST judge our own actions as sinful or good; we MUST, in love, judge the actions of the people around us and do what we can - prayer, intercession, intervention, etc. - which prudence tells us can help that person stop doing something self-destructive, like sin.

If someone said to you, 'You are a bad *person *because of what you wrote, then that person is risking being judged the same way by God. If the person said, ‘What you wrote was judgemental,’ then that person is not judging *you, *but the content of your message.

It’s so common in America today for people to yell, 'JUDGEMENTAL!" like it was the first deadly sin. Judgment is good, folks. It helps us tell the difference between fresh fish and rotten, between a good job and a bad job, between a lie and the truth. But the concept has been hi-jacked by pop culture to mean, ‘You disagree with my views, therefore you are a bad person.’

It sure is disappointing to think that intelligent Catholics are buying into the notion that any kind of judgement automatically makes someone a hypocrite.

Sir Knight, I have found it to be true in my experience that whatever I perceive as a fault in another turns out also to be a fault of mine.

Betsy

[quote=baltobetsy]Sir Knight, I have found it to be true in my experience that whatever I perceive as a fault in another turns out also to be a fault of mine.

Betsy
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I’ll second that, Betsy! You are definitely not alone - I think you are on track of a deep spiritual truth.

Sometimes - not often enough - I tremble a bit when I find myself thinking (or worse, talking) about someone else’s fault. I try to say, immediately, ‘OK, Lord, so show me where I’ve got this fault, because I wouldn’t be so clear-eyed seeing it in someone else if I were completely innocent of it myself!’

But I think that we can get a little crazy with that…I mean, it’s perfectly possible for me to catch a student who cheats without being a cheater myself. I am passionate about telling the truth, but I’m pretty good at discerning a lie in a student who hasn’t done his own work…

But we do have to watch what burns us up in other people, because if we just let God speak to us, we’ll probably find out that we’ve got a little dab of the same sin in us. It’s interesting that Jesus spoke about the ‘splinter’ in one person’s eye and the ‘log’ in another’s (at least in some translations) - larger and smaller bits of the same thing - instead of ‘the dirt’ in one person’s eye and ‘the finger’ in someone else’s. The sin you see in someone else is just a little part - a chip off the old block - of the same sin that’s in you.

You’re right Betsy - it’s a pattern worth pondering and praying over.

I have rather mixed feelings about this rating system, too. On the one hand, it’s nice to have people affirm the value of some of the things I’ve said around the forums. On the other hand, sometimes I have a hard time taking the praise seriously… and I definitely have a hard time taking the negative remarks seriously when someone obviously didn’t read very carefully whatever I said!

Of course, there’s that safeguard that some people’s evaluations don’t carry weight in our point total. I don’t understand how that works, but then, I believe al-gebra is a terrorist movement, too (:stuck_out_tongue: )

And once I gave someone some points because I felt like a bunch of people were jumping all over her and perhaps unfairly, and I wanted to balance things out a bit… only to later offer what I hope was – er, would have been – some constructive criticism over something else said, and I was denied access – I need to spread the points around a bit more or some such thing.

Oh, well, it’s still kind of fun.

Soul-mate! Hey, was that you I used to hide in the back of the classroom with, when Miss Brady was trying to get me to care about whether A was on this or that side of the equal sign?

Sir Knight, having just been bounced off the walls of another thread over things I never said and never implied, I’m going to show how completely clueless I am about this whole rating thing by giving you a nice approval notice. I don’t think I’m allowed to give points yet, but I sure do feel sorry for people who have got slammed around by the ‘Don’t judge me - I’m not finished judging YOU’ brigade! So I’m going around giving approving messages to all the people who are decent and get slammed for no particular reason except that other people are nasty.

Hey, have you noticed what it says when you give someone an approval notice? It says something like, ‘Thanks - may you get the same notice in return.’ I’ve never given anyone a ‘disapprove’ notice, so I don’t know if it says the same thing when you do that, but I hope it does!

By the way, “Sir Knight” …is that from some book I should remember the name of? Sounds awfully familiar… Cool name. Forgive me if I imagine you sitting at a computer wearing way-shiny armor!

Nel -
LOL – never had a Mrs. Brady, but if it makes you feel any better, my Algebra I class took me a year and a half PLUS a full summer school session to complete … with no repetitions.

(I think Sir Knight is what the Knights of Columbus are titled)

[quote=LauraL]Nel -
LOL – never had a Mrs. Brady, but if it makes you feel any better, my Algebra I class took me a year and a half PLUS a full summer school session to complete … with no repetitions.

(I think Sir Knight is what the Knights of Columbus are titled)
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Ah, well, then, I guess you were the whiz kid in the front row, compared to me. My high school required two years of ‘math’-type stuff… I was thrown in at the deep end of Algebra and drowned before the end of the third or fourth week, so I was rescued from that and put in ‘pre-Algebra,’ which didn’t really count as the math requirement. Scraped through that and was put back in ‘real’ Algebra. My performance in that class is something I’ve already had to discuss with my confessor, so… Then came my third year and Geometry - failed that handily. In my senior year I managed to scrape through Geometry (another trip to the confessional, though).

So in the end, my two years of required high school math took me four years. Ain’t it ironic?

I’m no good at numbers, but I’ve always wondered how to figure out how much time off in Purgatory I earned for those two extra years of High School math, minus time IN Purgatory for bad behavior…

Would that be 4MP (four years of Math Purgatory) minus xC (X time in Confession for ‘scraping by’ unscrupulously) equals TO (Time Off in Purgatory?

4MP - XC = TO

But that leaves out the variable BF - Brady Frustration…

It’s hopeless, hopeless. But God in His mercy helps me out here. I never have any money, so I’m saved from having to balance a checkbook or file income taxes! If I never have to calculate Farmer Brown leaving Chicago on a train at 4PM to buy paint for a room of 72 square feet, my life will be a dream…

So, the ‘K of C’ (which I used to think was the KFC) are called ‘Sir Knight’! I didn’t think of that. Good thing, too, I probably would have been so terribly disappointed that those old codgers (they all looked like old codgers to me…) didn’t come to church on white chargers…

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