I absolve you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, valid?

I absolve you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, valid absolution?

[quote=twiztedseraph]I absolve you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, valid absolution?
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Do you mean is the absolution valid if he omits “from your sins” after the word absolve??
What else would you be absolved from?
Of course its valid.

[quote=thistle]Do you mean is the absolution valid if he omits “from your sins” after the word absolve??
What else would you be absolved from?
Of course its valid.
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Just making sure, I tend to be over scrupulous.

[quote=thistle]Do you mean is the absolution valid if he omits “from your sins” after the word absolve??
What else would you be absolved from?
Of course its valid.
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Sometimes I wish I could be absolved in advance for sins I’d LIKE to commit … :smiley:

If I’m correct, I don’t think its valid until you do your penance. Am I close?

Notworthy

[quote=NotWorthy]If I’m correct, I don’t think its valid until you do your penance. Am I close?

Notworthy
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No the absolution happens at declaration. Not doing your penance is potentially a new sin.

[quote=Scott Waddell]No the absolution happens at declaration. Not doing your penance is potentially a new sin.
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Thanks!

Notworthy

[quote=Scott Waddell]No the absolution happens at declaration. Not doing your penance is potentially a new sin.
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Is it possible for the confessor to make the original absolution conditional?

[quote=Digitonomy]Is it possible for the confessor to make the original absolution conditional?
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No. You are either absolved or you are not.
Absolution is not conditional upon a penance being done.

Um, isn’t the Latin formula used for centuries “Ego te absolvo, in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spirtus Sancti?” The title of this thread is an exact translation of that, no more, no less.

If I recall correctly, there are some absolutions reserved to the ordinary (i.e., the bishop). I don’t know what the current situation is, but I seem to remember a time when if anyone confessed to participating in or assisting in the procurement of an abortion, an “ordinary” priest could not absolve them. If I’m right, I have no idea what the mechanism for carrying this out was. Did the priest just have to phone the bishop and say “I’ve got this gal here who had an abortion; can I absolve her?”

[quote=jbuck919]Um, isn’t the Latin formula used for centuries “Ego te absolvo, in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spirtus Sancti?” The title of this thread is an exact translation of that, no more, no less.

If I recall correctly, there are some absolutions reserved to the ordinary (i.e., the bishop). I don’t know what the current situation is, but I seem to remember a time when if anyone confessed to participating in or assisting in the procurement of an abortion, an “ordinary” priest could not absolve them. If I’m right, I have no idea what the mechanism for carrying this out was. Did the priest just have to phone the bishop and say “I’ve got this gal here who had an abortion; can I absolve her?”
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Because abortion is so prominent in the U.S., I’m pretty sure most U.S. bishops have granted indult faculties for parish priests to absolve these reserved cases.

[quote=Scott Waddell]No the absolution happens at declaration. Not doing your penance is potentially a new sin.
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No, it isn’t a new sin. It just means that the penance will be done in the afterlife in purgatory which is really a foolish thing to do because it is said that we can pay our debt in this life with pennies on the dollar compared to the afterlife.

[quote=Andreas Hofer]Because abortion is so prominent in the U.S., I’m pretty sure most U.S. bishops have granted indult faculties for parish priests to absolve these reserved cases.
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Thanks. It is probably worth pointing out that US Catholics are not much behind the rest of the world in the proprtion who divorce and remarry, practice birth control, or have abortions.

[quote=twiztedseraph]I absolve you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, valid absolution?
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yes, these are the only words the priest technically needs to say for it to be valid.

According to the General Instruction of the Rite of Penance: “19. … the priest extends his hands, or at least right hand, over the head of the pentient and pronounces the formulary of absolution, in which the essential words are: I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. …”. It has the same words in n. 21 "In imminent danger of death, it is sufficient for the priest to say the essential words of the formula of absolution, namely I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
I do not have a Latin edition, but I am almost certain that the words would be (from the internet) "Ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti."
The liturgical book saying these are the “essential” words of the formula makes me doubt that it is valid to further shorten it.

[quote=John Lilburne]According to the General Instruction of the Rite of Penance: “19. … the priest extends his hands, or at least right hand, over the head of the pentient and pronounces the formulary of absolution, in which the essential words are: I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. …”. It has the same words in n. 21 "In imminent danger of death, it is sufficient for the priest to say the essential words of the formula of absolution, namely I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
I do not have a Latin edition, but I am almost certain that the words would be (from the internet) "Ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti."
The liturgical book saying these are the “essential” words of the formula makes me doubt that it is valid to further shorten it.
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Don’t worry I re-confessed.

[quote=twiztedseraph]Don’t worry I re-confessed.
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Does not the Church supply for defects?

It certainly does, and is the principle of “Eccledia Supplet”

Here is an example.

catholicexchange.com/css/answers.asp?quest=509

[quote=gelsbern]It certainly does, and is the principle of “Eccledia Supplet”

Here is an example.

catholicexchange.com/css/answers.asp?quest=509
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God was probably testing me, and my ability to humble myself, so I reconfessed. Either I was restored to sanctifying grace, or I had an increase…Its a win win situation.

I was taught by a very intelligent man that when they say i absolve you of all your sins… they truly mean ALL even if you haven’t confessed them. I dont know what church teaching is on that but that is what they say. Then again, I later found out that the man who told me this was a catholic but now athiest.

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