I Left The Whore Of Babylon


#1

A testimony we all have heard before.

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#2

she must have been the most poorly educated woman in the Catholic faith! wow! she does not even present any arguments to support what she is saying. it is all angry words with no substance. she clearly picks and chooses her portions of the bible. it would be amusing if it wasnt so incredibly sad.


#3

Maybe she didn’t pay much attention to Mass - there’s Bible there in more quantity than many Protestant churches I’ve attended.


#4

Y’know… the whole thing could be a fake…there’s no way to contact her…but there’s just so many things wrong with all that. She says she couldn’t confess and abortion? Gee whiz… that’s what a priest IS for. That’s why we call it Reconcillaition. Sopmething just isn’t right in her testimony.

Have any of you thought of blogging your own real live Catholic testimony online?
Pax vobiscum,


#5

I find that people often adopt a similar methodology. They provide a string of quotes that substantiate their chosen beliefs without making any attempt (or an incomplete attempt) to harmonize their interpretation with the sections of the Bible that don’t support their beliefs. If the Bible is inerrant, then it is inerrant as a whole.

I have seen this occur many times. Often they respond by saying that the counter-example you provide needs to be prayed over or is “hard”. Well, hard to harmonize with their preferred interpretation, true.

Catholics and Protestants that make a real attempt to harmonize their interpretation across the Bible as a whole are at a distinct disadvantage to those who selectively quote certain verses and fail to address the numerous verses that contradict their interpretation. It is much the same way a “sound bite” politician is at an advantage to a politician who attempts to create a more nuanced and comprehensive policy.

That being said, I don’t think this person was being overly harsh at all. In my mind she has an incomplete understanding of the Bible and of the Catholic Church, but she isn’t being overly irrational or dishonestly critical. She appears not to have properly understood what the Church actually teaches. But I’d give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she has made a real attempt to understand the truth, but simply failed to find it in its fullest form.


#6

[quote=Church Militant]Y’know… the whole thing could be a fake,
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Yes, we ask ourselves, what kind of spirit would publicly use the word “whore” to describe someone else’s religion, and then proceed to back it up? As soon as one hears such an epithet, the bells go off and they have to defend a major credibility problem of their own. It speaks so much more about their own attitude towards their fellow, and sadly casts doubt on the details of their story.


#7

She never opened a bible in a Catholic church “(you can just use the missal at Mass)”. :bigyikes:

So now scripture isn’t scripture unless it’s printed on paper inside a book titled “Bible” (and preferably a KJV)? WTITB?


#8

[quote=Curious]Maybe she didn’t pay much attention to Mass - there’s Bible there in more quantity than many Protestant churches I’ve attended.
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Not to mention that the passage she specifically references - Psalm 51 - is the responsorial psalm at least twice a year!!


#9

I wanted to point something out that I discovered on Holy Thursday, I just could never find the thread for it…I can’t quote the passage(I think it might be in John, but I really am not sure), but when Jesus came to wash Peter’s feet at the Last Supper and Peter proclaimed that Jesus would never wash his feet, Jesus told him something that I again cannot quote (sorry, I can’t find my bible at the moment, but I’ll get back to you with the passage) about the servent and the master. Peter then responded that then he would want Jesus to not only wash his feet but his head and his body as well. Jesus replied that thought the body is already clean, but the feet can always use washing (again, I know I am not quoting this correctly, but I’m trying to get the general idea) This passage completely qualified confession for me. Jesus’ sacrifice DID forgive ALL sins, making our bodies (souls) clean, but though they are forgiven, we still sin on a regular basis, therefore our feet are dirty, and we must constantly wash them to keep them clean as well. We must always confess our sins and be absolved to keep our feet clean…I don’t know, that just made sense to me for some reason. If some one could help me with that passage or explain what I’m trying to get at better, I might make a little more sense:) thank guys:)

In Him,

Brittany


#10

[quote=Church Militant]Y’know… the whole thing could be a fake…there’s no way to contact her…but there’s just so many things wrong with all that. She says she couldn’t confess and abortion? Gee whiz… that’s what a priest IS for. That’s why we call it Reconcillaition. Sopmething just isn’t right in her testimony.

Have any of you thought of blogging your own real live Catholic testimony online?
Pax vobiscum,
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How do you start a blog?


#11

If her post is for real, then we should have some pity for her. I have known four women who have had abortions, all for various reasons. Each one ended up with horrible guilt. One, who was told that both she and the child would die before the baby reached a viable state, had to undergo intense therapy afterwards. Last time I talked with her, she had become anti-abortion.

I am not certain why she felt that going to a priest and seeking absolution was something that she couldn’t do. Perhaps it had to do with a sense of shame. Protestants believe that they confess directly to only God which means that their sins can be kept secret to the outside world. Maybe, deep down, she was afraid of being judged. Of course, the priest would not have told anyone of her confession, but it still sounds like she was afraid of her priest’s opinion.


#12

Maybe, deep down, she was afraid of being judged. Of course, the priest would not have told anyone of her confession, but it still sounds like she was afraid of her priest’s opinion.

You know, I’m sure that’s a part of it. One of the things I’ve really grown to appreciate about the Catholic faith is that we can talk about our faults and expect to not be judged. The forgiveness of God is wonderful, but I’m coming to realize that there’s nothing like hearing “you’re forgiven” from another human being. The Catholic Church makes us accountable to one another while setting up the circumstances that we must support eachother. It’s truly remarkable.

Just think at how much money people spend on therapy these days to work through issues of forgiveness, and the Church has been doing it for free at the behest of God for two millenia! God truly knows us better than we do ourselves, and that’s why He gave us the grace of Confession, and made it repeatable. It saddens me when people don’t see this, not because they bash the Catholic Church, but because it’s often the people who most desperately need to be told by another flesh-and-blood person that they are loved and forgiven. I wouldn’t give up the Confessional for the world!

Pray for this woman that she can forgive herself; it seems that she’s still suffering greatly. Abortion truly kills more than the infant :crying:


#13

Seriously though, everyone meditate for a minute on all the people you wish you could go back and apologise to, and receive forgiveness. Think of what it would mean to your soul to hear “I forgive you” from those people. Remember those human names and faces when you go into the Confessional next time, and tell me you don’t hear them in the priest’s voice.

This isn’t to encourage people not to seek direct forgiveness from those we’ve wronged, because that’s always best, but to realize that in the absence of that we really do have forgiveness from our flesh-and-blood brothers and sisters, represented by the human priest.


#14

Seems like she left the Church because she didn’t want to confess abortion.


#15

[quote=CheesusPowerKid]We must always confess our sins and be absolved to keep our feet clean…I don’t know, that just made sense to me for some reason. If some one could help me with that passage or explain what I’m trying to get at better
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The passage is John 13 if that helps any.


#16

[quote=CheesusPowerKid]I wanted to point something out that I discovered on Holy Thursday, I just could never find the thread for it…I can’t quote the passage(I think it might be in John, but I really am not sure), but when Jesus came to wash Peter’s feet at the Last Supper and Peter proclaimed that Jesus would never wash his feet, Jesus told him something that I again cannot quote (sorry, I can’t find my bible at the moment, but I’ll get back to you with the passage) about the servent and the master. Peter then responded that then he would want Jesus to not only wash his feet but his head and his body as well. Jesus replied that thought the body is already clean, but the feet can always use washing (again, I know I am not quoting this correctly, but I’m trying to get the general idea) This passage completely qualified confession for me. Jesus’ sacrifice DID forgive ALL sins, making our bodies (souls) clean, but though they are forgiven, we still sin on a regular basis, therefore our feet are dirty, and we must constantly wash them to keep them clean as well. We must always confess our sins and be absolved to keep our feet clean…I don’t know, that just made sense to me for some reason. If some one could help me with that passage or explain what I’m trying to get at better, I might make a little more sense:) thank guys:)

In Him,

Brittany
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That feetwashing passage from John would have shocked contemporaries and certainly Peter as per usual lovingly was appaled at what Jesus wanted.

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Never make a distinction among Christians for the sake of pretension,by now it should be clear that the wisdom of Jesus supersedes anything seen before or since not just among those who eventually crucified him but among those who loved him and continue to love him.


#17

I won’t take anyone seriously who calls your church “the whore of Babylon”, and you don’t take anybody seriously who uses the term “unanimous concsent of the fathers”, okay?

Both slogans are equally contemptable.


#18

Anyone who called the Bride of Christ a whore to my face would have a broken nose.:mad:


#19

[quote=Genesis315]Anyone who called the Bride of Christ a whore to my face would have a broken nose.:mad:
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I would leave the nose alone. It’s the rest of the face that would be attended to,

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#20

[quote=VociMike]She never opened a bible in a Catholic church “(you can just use the missal at Mass)”. :bigyikes:

So now scripture isn’t scripture unless it’s printed on paper inside a book titled “Bible” (and preferably a KJV)? WTITB?
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Hi Voci, I do believe there are none in Rcc. I never saw one in the catholic church. O,h well at least they wrote it. Ill give them that much credit. :smiley: God Bless


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