I’m considering leaving the Latin Rite for the Byzantine Rite, is this bad?


#21

Eastern Catholics, especially Byzantine Rite Catholics are very much just as Catholic as you and I. The Catholic Church is made up of 23 sui juris Churches which the Latin Church (ie Rome) is only one. Roman Catholicism is the largest demographic but is not the sole demographic that makes up the Catholic Church. The prayer rope preceded the rosary, it’s been around forever. Eastern Catholics are basically Eastern Orthodox in full communion in Rome. The reject the small number of false teachings separating the Orthodox with us Roman Catholics so they are 100% legitimate, you have no need to fear. And they absolutely DO have their own catechism and canon law. Some Eastern Catholic Churches don’t have their own particular catechism but my experience has been that most Byzantine Catholics, regardless of what specific Church they belong to, look to this as their guide http://catechism.royaldoors.net/catechism/

Canon law is only relevant to it’s specific Church. Roman canon law only applies to the Roman Church. Eastern Catholic canon law only applies to Eastern Catholics. They are certainly SUPPOSED to be following their own canon law because they are their OWN Church lol.


#22

This is all relative though…traditionally there isn’t the Latin Mindset of “do this or it’s a sin!”. Fasts should always be done under the guidance of a spiritual father or mother. I have blood sugar issues…I can’t go vegan. I give up other things. Prayer and working on my spiritual defects should be my goal…and I usually fail at this every Fast lol!. Let’s not forget that without prayer fasting is meaningless. The main purpose is to teach yourself to rely on God and to learn to restrain yourself.

Yes I experienced this as well early on in my spiritual journey. I’m now at the point where I’m pretty much Byzantine…but this time every year is always difficult b/c I really miss Midnight Mass and the Christmas hymns…I also love Gaudete Sunday…gotta love PINK!!! Then of course there’s the Nativity Fast…Fasting during this time of year is always a challenge especially b/c in the West, Advent unfortunately has moved away from that aspect :frowning: (perhaps we should petition to start up St. Martin’s Fast again :thinking::rofl: )


#23

St. Michaels Russian Greek Catholic Church on 266 Mulberry street. I’ve heard great things. It been sometime since I’ve been to NY but our next visit we’re headed there for sure.

ZP


#24

Yes, very true. However, I was trying to give her easy trips from Staten Island. Many people say traveling from Staten Island to Manhattan isn’t easy.


#25

The Rosary is simply not part of the Eastern Catholic traditions. Some Eastern Catholics pray the Rosary privately. You can probably still find some parishes that pray the Rosary publically prior to Divine Liturgy; however, that is not appropriate, since we have other liturgical services that are properly prayed prior to the Divine Liturgy.


#26

If one is going clear to Manhattan, you can just go to a TLM, there’s lots.


#27

And I’ve heard that western Catholics don’t have Akathists to the Blessed Mother.

Only by default.

The parents can request enrollment in another ritual church, and this will be recorded in the registry.

Actually, we are supposed to be following the canon of the councils. The code of eastern cannon law should not exist, and the EC churches should be repudiating it (except maybe the really small ones that could use external help–but they did get gby for almost 2000 years without it . . . )

hawk


#28

Regardless Dohawk. My question is why must Latin traditions stay in Latin churches and vice versa? Do you have an answer to this? Why does matter if I do eastern catholic devotions in a western church and vice versa if both churches are Catholic?


#29

From the Second Vatican Councils Decree on the Catholic Churches of the Eastern Rite, Orientalium Ecclesiarium, “The Catholic Church holds in high esteem the institutions, liturgical rites, ecclesiastical traditions and the established standards of the Christian life of the Eastern Churches, for in them, distinguished as they are for their venerable antiquity, there remains conspicuous the tradition that has been handed down from the Apostles through the Fathers and that forms part of the divinely revealed and undivided heritage of the universal Church.”

For one, many Eastern Churches, even to this day, have undergone severe latinizations which we are trying to rid ourselves. Second, western devotions have not place in the liturgical life of an easterner as is the other way around. That’s not to say that one cannot have a private devotion to the Rosary or a Latin Catholic cannot have a private devotion to the Jesus Prayer but in general when mixing East and West spirituality it can lead to spiritual schizophrenia.

I think @dochawk would agree for he is much more knowledgable than me. Looking forward to his insight!

ZP


#30

Yes, I agree.

And in short: the result of “borrowing” seems in every case to have pushed aside the traditional practice of the receiving church.

The only counterexample I can think is the change to multiple anaphora for the western liturgy: the Roman Canon is still there and used in varying frequency.


#31

It looks like no one else responded to this particular point.

In order to switch to another sui iuris church, you will have to attend liturgy at a parish of the church you want to switch to (i.e. Ruthenian, Maronite, Melkite, etc.) usually for a year or more before the pastor will help you switch. You then have to write a request to the Bishop of the Church you want to switch to, accompanied by a letter from the pastor giving his approval. You have to explain in your letter why you want to switch. Then if the Eastern Bishop approves of it, he forwards it with an approval from his office to your current Bishop. Your current Bishop has to approve it, then all the paperwork is sent to your current Eastern parish that you’ve been attending.

Once all that is done then you must make a declaration in front of witnesses that you wish to switch of your own free will, etc. and once you do that your Eastern pastor will forward a copy to your parish of baptism to attach to your baptismal record noting that you have changed sui iuris churches (aka “switched rites”).

Now all that said, I doubt you will ever get a pastor and two Bishops to approve this based on the “I don’t think the Novus Ordo is reverent enough” argument. If your reason for switching is because you don’t like the Western liturgy, you’re not going to get anywhere.

However, as others have pointed out, Eastern Parishes are Catholic and you can attend one or even join one and participate in the sacraments without officially switching sui iuris churches.


#32

Just curious, looking at a map I don’t see any Eastern Catholic parishes on Staten Island, only Latin and Orthodox. Are there Eastern Catholic parishes there that I’m missing or would you have to go outside of Staten Island?


#33

No it is NOT bad nor wrong! The Maronite Catholic Church which is an Eastern Rite Catholic Church has their Cathedral: Our Lady of Lebanon Maronite Catholic Cathedral in Brooklyn New York. They have a 9 AM and an 11:30 AM Mass on Sunday’s. The consecration is in Aramaic the language Christ spoke! I live in Massachusetts and my parish all Masses have some English but Maronite’s are generally of Lebanese or Syrian descent and the primary worship is Arabic but within the U.S. they have a lot of English in the Mass as well! I, too, grew up in the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church and on March 17th of this year formally transferred to the Maronite Rite!


#34

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