I was at a MOVE conference. [Mainly Protestant] Shocked maybe?

A MOVE conference is where hundreds of kids from thousands of protestant churches come and hear bands and preaching and such.

I go on Wednesday to my friends Baptist church, because I respect her and her beliefs, and I was invited to tag along with them to go to this conference.

Well, when the [NEVER ENDING] music went off. :stuck_out_tongue: A preacher came, he was a cool preacher, 5 children, 1 adopted from Ethiopia. His name was Ed Newton. No he didn’t invent the Fig Newton. :wink:

This preacher taught these hundreds of children about how your saved of Faith Alone, and how baptismal is not necessary to Salvation. Then he took the thief on the cross as a way to show these kids that baptismal is not a need. I was thinking to myself, WHAT!? The thief on the cross was baptized of the desire of the Blood of Jesus Christ. I am 100% sure, if that thief was able to get off of that cross, he would get baptized.

Anyways, my question is: Why doesn’t the Catholic Church reach out to kids and adults within the “Bible-belt” of America? As from all I hear in my parish, the only thing the Catholic Church is doing in the “bible-belt” is sending priest off to Jamaica, or Singapore to preach to them. Or, helping out the Catholic withing the BB.

I think it is about time the Bible-belt should get changed. From Bible-belt to Apostolic-belt…Im sorry, im not good with jokes. :o

They are trying. Unfortunately it’s difficult to get kids involved without making it very secular. Notice the never ending music? We have several programs at our parish designed for the youth, and are always trying to get more youth leaders involved. It’s difficult though to find people to volunteer. Even more so to get kids to come to church for more than Mass and RE.

Something else I’d like to note is that it’s really a failure on all of our parts. All too often we forget that the education of our children is OUR responsibility and duty when we choose parent as our vocation. We should be helping our kids learn as much as we can about the faith and encouraging them to go do these things.

From your mouth to God’s ear.

I feel your pain. I am a Georgia native (Savannah) who converted to the Faith while living in North Carolina - the least-Catholic state in the Union. I’m sure you are familiar with the rule that a Catholic convert needs a sponsor to testify on his behalf - this can be anyone who is a Catholic in good standing. Well, I didn’t know any such people. It was a bit of a problem.

As a fellow Georgian, you are probably aware of the three things that were forbidden in the original charter of Gerogetown - no slavery, alcohol, or Catholics. The rule against Catholics was the last rule to fall.

The Klu-Klux-Klan persecutes three groups of people: Blacks, Jews, and Catholics. My own Catholic parish was forced to relocate (literally - the building was moved on rolling logs) due to KKK persecution - and this was in Oregon!

The early Southern states were populated mainly by protestants - especially by Methodists (in fact, John Wesley once called Savannah home). They were distrustful of the Spanish who controlled Florida and Texas, as well as the French who controlled the Louisiana Territory (the Spanish and French traded control of New Orleans, which accounts for the inexplicable architecture of the French Quarter). The Spanish and French were both largely Catholic peoples. As were the northern states - even the northern-most of the southern states (Maryland, for example, was considered a “southern” state, yet it was named for Our Lady and its capitol (Baltimore) became the first Catholic diocese in the United States).

Hey, it took the Catholic Church 300 years to conquer Rome. And Rome did not have any early reason to fear Catholic influences, and thus did not have longstanding mistrust to overcome. The Church does not always prevail as quickly as we might wish, but the Church always prevails in the end. And it’s people like you that strengthen Her foothold in hostile territory. Welcome aboard!

I know that the Fellowship of Catholic University Students (FOCUS) is doing a lot of marvelous work on college campuses domestically (and abroad, in a few places, I think), and it’s growing at an exponential rate.

I owe my reversion to one of the missionaries on my campus.

I do, however, agree that there is a tremendous need for the Church to reach further out.

This is going to sound simplistic.

But, lead by giving good example.

For example, make every possible effort to get to daily Mass.

People will notice. Trust me.

And do some research on Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration. You will be amazed!

I find it so sad that there are so many Protestant organizations that get together and preach false doctrine to hundreds, if not thousands of people at a time. Now, granted, they think they are doing something good. They think that they are spreading the true Gospel but unfortunately, they are not. They are spreading a twisted Gospel which is definitely not the Gospel that Jesus taught and that is why I find this sad. They think that their Gospel is a true Gospel but the fact is, its not. We cannot be saved by faith alone. This is made evident abundantly in Scripture and I’ll show you how:

And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall he condemned.
(Mark 16:15-16 DRB)

As you can clearly see, Jesus Himself even taught that baptism is necessary for salvation. Of course, God can still work outside the Sacraments though. If someone dies that would have been baptized had they known that they should and also was willing to follow every other teaching of Catholicism had they known that they should, God would probably allow that person into Heaven even though they weren’t baptized.

And there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to him: Rabbi, we know that thou art come a teacher from God; for no man can do these signs which thou dost, unless God be with him. Jesus answered and said to him: Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith to him: How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born again? Jesus answered: Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(John 3:1-5 DRB)

Again we see Jesus speaking of the necessity of baptism. Baptism is not mentioned by word here but He is clearly alluding to it by saying that unless a man be born again of water (baptism) and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God or be saved in other words.

Whereunto baptism, being of the like form, now saveth you also: not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but, the examination of a good conscience towards God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
(1 Peter 3:21 DRB)

Here again we see the necessity of baptism. The Bible clearly says baptism now saves you.

But Peter said to them: Do penance: and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins. And you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
(Acts 2:38 DRB)

And here we clearly see Peter, the first Pope, clearly saying that the people he was talking to needed to be baptized for the forgiveness of sins!

Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?
(James 2:24 DRB)

Here the Bible explicitly condemns the doctrine of salvation by “faith alone”. It clearly says here that works are necessary as well as faith.

Wherefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest. For wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself. For thou dost the same things which thou judgest. For we know that the judgment of God is, according to truth, against them that do such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them who do such things and dost the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and patience and longsuffering? Knowest thou not that the benignity of God leadeth thee to penance? But according to thy hardness and impenitent heart, thou treasurest up to thyself wrath, against the day of wrath and revelation of the just judgment of God: Who will render to every man according to his works.
(Romans 2:1-6 DRB)

Here again we clearly see the necessity of works.

Well, that’s all I am going to post on this. I think I have gotten my point across.

God bless,

Religion is in decline. Catholicism is taking the hardest hit in America.

From religions.pewforum.org/reports, An interesting read -

The survey finds that the number of people who say they are unaffiliated with any particular faith today (16.1%) is more than double the number who say they were not affiliated with any particular religion as children. Among Americans ages 18-29, one-in-four say they are not currently affiliated with any particular religion.

While those Americans who are unaffiliated with any particular religion have seen the greatest growth in numbers as a result of changes in affiliation, Catholicism has experienced the greatest net losses as a result of affiliation changes. While nearly one-in-three Americans (31%) were raised in the Catholic faith, today fewer than one-in-four (24%) describe themselves as Catholic. These losses would have been even more pronounced were it not for the offsetting impact of immigration. The Landscape Survey finds that among the foreign-born adult population, Catholics outnumber Protestants by nearly a two-to-one margin (46% Catholic vs. 24% Protestant); among native-born Americans, on the other hand, the statistics show that Protestants outnumber Catholics by an even larger margin (55% Protestant vs. 21% Catholic). Immigrants are also disproportionately represented among several world religions in the U.S., including Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism.

As a fellow southerner, I agree with what you’ve stated, and that Catholics in the South could be doing a lot more in terms of growth and getting the youth more involved. For example, I am in Colquitt County, Georgia, where a Catholic mission was established approximately 100 years ago, and eventually became a parish. Although there has been growth, it is still the only Catholic church in the entire county, and has produced only one vocation (one priest, no religious).

Nevertheless, the Catholic landscape in the Bible-Belt is changing, and rapidly. This is due to Hispanic immigration, the vast majority of whom are Catholics, and many of them are fervent in their practice of the faith. The Spanish Mass at the parish in Colquitt County is overflowing each and every Sunday, and there are lots of youth as well.

But although the presence of Hispanic Catholics makes me optimistic for the future of Catholicism in the South, I do not think this should be an excuse for other Catholics to excuse themselves from youth ministry and evagelization. There is a lot of work that needs to be done.

Music is secular?


Well, I live in the PacNW, and was prot for 20 yrs. Here’s how I see it. #1 We are now the mission field. We need to feed our own sheep first. We are not healthy enough to send our own out. Priests from Africa come to my state to preach.

#2 Money. We are doing what we are supposed to do. We don’t do concerts.

#3 Advertising, commercialism. We have the Eucharist, we teach the Real Presence. IF people want to leave for a concert, that is their choice. When I was prot, in a mega church with a coffee shop, in house book store, and recording studio; the amount of $ they put into the frivolous stuff that won’t get to heaven was astounding.

Catholic missions are the #1 missionary and aid organization in the world. FACT.

Great organization, but only present on about 60 college campuses. The nearest college campus they are to my state is about 2000+ miles away.

Music is not necessarily secular… but it can indeed be secular. There is a big difference in music that is designed to worship God and music that is designed solely to entertain the crowd. Church is not supposed to be a concert to tickle the ears. I love the music at our church, but it’s not the main focus. The main focus should be on the Eucharist, not on a concert.

Good points sure, but I want to point out that catholics are big on concerts. And TV commercials.

I am curious though: 2 Money. What did you mean by that?

We are big on concerts and tv commercials? I’ve yet to see a concert at my parish of any sort. The only commercials I see on television are from charities that are giving the money to the poor somewhere. I dunno.

Here’s one commercial.


As to the concert thing, just look around. You might even try google.

I think there is rightly a big difference in a Catholic concert, and Catholics being big on concerts. There is a major difference in a person who is Catholic giving a concert or performing at a concert, and turning a Mass into a concert.

As to the commercial, I thought it was a nice outreach. Using media to reach out to others in a world filled with secular commercials, is actually a beautiful thing to me.

I do not deny there are concerts that have Catholics involved, nor do I deny there are videos that are sponsored by Catholics or even calling people to come back to the Church. The comment I have a problem with the implication in your statement that Catholics are big on concerts and commercials that seems to imply it’s part of our worship (which is what the conversation was about.)

I have yet to see a concert during Mass.

But expanding exponentially (thank God!). I intend to be a missionary upon my graduation. :slight_smile:


Unlike Evangelicals Catholics still have yet to adopt the rock music and informal come as you are worship…

There’s a dress code in my parish… A dress code! When my buddy took me to his post-modern emerging church congregation there was metal, rap, rock, and punk music… No one was in anything more than jeans and a t-shirt (which I was so happy to wear)… The musicians were shirtless tatooed…

It was a crazy fun time… But I think most Catholics would be abhorred if a mass degenerated into something like that LOL… :smiley:

I was simply responding to someone who said that it doesn’t happen.

Who are these evangelicals, and what kind of church is that? Sounds rather outlandish.

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